Digital vs. Analog Dilemma

[noruazumi]

I've been having wet dreams of going analog all the way, Hasselblad 503CW to be exact.
So, I thought of selling ALL my digital gears and get myself a nice film camera & a decent compact digital camera (if i want to shoot in digital).

If you are having the same dilemma, what would you do?





p/s: this is just for fun. don't take it seriously. :P

[EdwinTan]

come to the force..and become canon user

[h@rry]

Handphone camera FTW!

[BumbleBee]

my camera phone really FTW :P

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z27/babysparrow/902/IMG00216.jpg

[ShaolinTiger]

come to the force..and become canon user

That's a step backwards la :run_away:

[noruazumi]

That's a step backwards la :run_away:
I was going to say that actually... :P

[nivek]

I take about 20K photos a year. So 20K multiply 40 sen (4R size) = rm8k a year. I'll stick with digital .... hahahahaha :P

[noruazumi]

I take about 20K photos a year. So 20K multiply 40 sen (4R size) = rm8k a year. I'll stick with digital .... hahahahaha :P
so cheap?
i developed my negatives, scanned to a GOLD-plated DVD for RM22.
that's for color film. B&W film? no comment.






:P

[moonrat]

You will get nightmares not wet dreams.

But you can still get a used 'Blad and lovingly polish it everyday -- but keep your digital gear.

[leslie]

so cheap?
i developed my negatives, scanned to a GOLD-plated DVD for RM22.
that's for color film. B&W film? no comment.






:P

Zumi u get 503CW, u of different level d.

basic facts. 503CW can be attached with digital backs, like LEAF, Mamiya, Sinar and of course Hassie itself :D

Besides B&W, try filem (Provia, Velvia etc)....on 503CW ...mata pun bengkak :D

someone i knew in the other forum got a 503CW for around 9k ++ body only

[kalvinkhoo]

FILM-FILM-FILM!!! :bow_down:

[noruazumi]

basic facts. 503CW can be attached with digital backs, like LEAF, Mamiya, Sinar and of course Hassie itself :D
Ditto!!!
But the digital back so damn expensive. *sweat*

Besides B&W, try filem (Provia, Velvia etc)....on 503CW ...mata pun bengkak :D
Please stop giving me ideas for my wet dreams... :P

someone i knew in the other forum got a 503CW for around 9k ++ body only
Oh really? Someone quoted me RM7.5k including CFE 80mm T*. but the cam is about few years old.

[karheng]

Hahhaah see it through without buying it and your poison will be flushed out in no time.

It's a mere temporary earthly desire....be strong zumi! ahahha

[leslie]

Ditto!!!
But the digital back so damn expensive. *sweat*


Please stop giving me ideas for my wet dreams... :P


Oh really? Someone quoted me RM7.5k including CFE 80mm T*. but the cam is about few years old.

EH cheap lor.. dude...

digital back cheapest i saw Hassie P2 Back already Rm 25k ++ second hand :D


Oh ya zumi, one more thing.. Medium Format Viewfinders make your regular 35mm's look like a TOY :P:Poke:

[noruazumi]

EH cheap lor.. dude...

digital back cheapest i saw Hassie P2 Back already Rm 25k ++ second hand :D
u siao ah? RM25k can buy other stuffs wor. like buying more films! LOL!


Oh ya zumi, one more thing.. Medium Format Viewfinders make your regular 35mm's look like a TOY :P:Poke:
why u still stick with your 135? :P

[leslie]

no money :D. i fu got buy it :P u wont regret...or if u wanna kena racun i might know someone in KL who can let u molest it

[noordin]

I have the 503CW and bought the prism viewfinder from eBay. Thought I'd use it for portraits (like a pro) but till now after maybe 3 years, it's sitting very nicely in the dry box! :P

Too much trouble, I have to carry a light meter and not something I'd carry for a street shoot which happens to be my favourite genre of photography. :?

[wasabi]

I have the 503CW and bought the prism viewfinder from eBay. Thought I'd use it for portraits (like a pro) but till now after maybe 3 years, it's sitting very nicely in the dry box! :P

Too much trouble, I have to carry a light meter and not something I'd carry for a street shoot which happens to be my favourite genre of photography. :?

next time sifu zamrudku organise model shoot, u must bring ur 503CW ...

bawah, jgn tak bawah~:smack:

[raclette]

5d maybe.its getting cheaper and cheaper each day :P if you prefer landscape and portrait (streets too also can) that is.

[ShaolinTiger]

5d maybe.its getting cheaper and cheaper each day :P if you prefer landscape and portrait (streets too also can) that is.

What does 5D have to do with medium format film? Apart from the fact most people consider both old and outdated..

[noordin]

What does 5D have to do with medium format film? Apart from the fact most people consider both old and outdated..


You're BAD ST! :whipped:

:P

[noruazumi]

I have the 503CW and bought the prism viewfinder from eBay. Thought I'd use it for portraits (like a pro) but till now after maybe 3 years, it's sitting very nicely in the dry box! :P
suddenly i felt uncle noordin is very handsome guy. :D

5d maybe.its getting cheaper and cheaper each day :P if you prefer landscape and portrait (streets too also can) that is.
i have different feeling when using film. it is not about being full-frame. it is just something different.

[raclette]

What does 5D have to do with medium format film? Apart from the fact most people consider both old and outdated..
this is an analog vs digital dilemma thread. its body could be considered outdated but not the sensor..cheapest alternative for FF (with still impressive hi iso capability and image qualities from what ive read as i havent owned any)

i have different feeling when using film. it is not about being full-frame. it is just something different.
ok:)

[noruazumi]

ok:)
hehehehe... this is just wet dream. :P

[nfariz8]

hehehehe... this is just wet dream. :P

don't you have cheaper wet dream? LOL!

[raclette]

hehehehe... this is just wet dream. :P
http://www.mamutphoto.com/images/norwayole.jpg sorry pic too small

[noruazumi]

http://www.mamutphoto.com/images/norwayole.jpg sorry pic too small
people may think i'm selling roti if i carry that around. LOL!

[noordin]

The Hassey is bulky, heavy and slow. It's really a studio camera, in my opinion. Besides the lens and accessories are very expensive and the trade-in value when you want to sell is 'regrettable'.

If you like film then go for Leica. Get the M6 or M6 TTL or earlier model M3. Get some basic lens 35mm and 50mm and you're good to start. Leica lenses are superb and Leica hold its price. I one bought an M6 + 90mm lens for RM6,500. Two years later I sold it to YL Camera at RM6,500. No hassle, no bargaining.

Besides you'll have more friends and you can exchange notes with Leica users rather than Hassey users. Davidnikon in the other forum just got himself the Hassey set that he tried to sell for his friend. PM him for his opinion.

I am advising as an owner of both systems. Friends will go agaga when they see your Hassey, it'll perk you up. But you'll feel the 'burden' of owning one after a while! :D

[nivek]

Zumi - I can introduce you to a whole group of Leica users who will gladly help you part with your money in a couple of days...hahahahaha :D

[Freaky]

forget hassy, forget leica...

Real photographers use...

pin-holes... can't buy? Go make your own...

http://www.shutterasia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10550

:D

[noruazumi]

The Hassey is bulky, heavy and slow. It's really a studio camera, in my opinion. Besides the lens and accessories are very expensive and the trade-in value when you want to sell is 'regrettable'.

If you like film then go for Leica. Get the M6 or M6 TTL or earlier model M3. Get some basic lens 35mm and 50mm and you're good to start. Leica lenses are superb and Leica hold its price. I one bought an M6 + 90mm lens for RM6,500. Two years later I sold it to YL Camera at RM6,500. No hassle, no bargaining.

Besides you'll have more friends and you can exchange notes with Leica users rather than Hassey users. Davidnikon in the other forum just got himself the Hassey set that he tried to sell for his friend. PM him for his opinion.

I am advising as an owner of both systems. Friends will go agaga when they see your Hassey, it'll perk you up. But you'll feel the 'burden' of owning one after a while! :D
Thanks for the heads-up, noordin.
Never knew that Hasselblad can be HASSLEblad. :P
Anyway, this is only a wet dream.
Seeing the price tag of Hassey lenses really a turn-off point. :redface:

Zumi - I can introduce you to a whole group of Leica users who will gladly help you part with your money in a couple of days...hahahahaha :D
hahahaha... you are very very 'helpful'. :D

forget hassy, forget leica...

Real photographers use...

pin-holes... can't buy? Go make your own...

http://www.shutterasia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10550

:D
Pin-Holes!!! Never really have the time to DIY it. :redface:

[astroboy]

Once I had the same wet dreams. With 2nd hand MF getting so affordable, most ppl would queue up to snap them up, right?

Wrong.

Take a look at the shelves in 2nd hand camera shops around Peninsula area in S'pore and you can so many of them longing for an owner.

If you're thinking of shooting for a living, clients have got no time to wait for you to digitiise your photos. They want the images like yesterday. If you're shooting for fun/art, that's good. But you have to think about the high costs for lenses and accessories. And the hassle in getting and processing film.

Pro-level digital cameras like D3 is fast closing the gap. Nikon may not have the megapixels yet to match MF, but Canon has already closed or surpassed the gap. Lab tests have suggested that the 16MP files surpass MF film in terms of resolution. I have heard of a lot of studio photogs ditching MF in favour of the 1Ds MkIII (cheaper, more flexible system, wider choice of lenses, etc etc).

I am not the least bit interested to start a Nikon vs Canon debate and those who know me, knows that I get bored talking gear. But to date, in examining digital files, the 1Ds is as film-like as you can get. If you have friends who have one, take it out and shoot some landscapes/sunsets etc and you'll know what I mean (its ISO sucks big time, though. Nikon wins hands down in this area).

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Gems of wisdom from noordin. :)

The Hassey is bulky, heavy and slow. It's really a studio camera, in my opinion. Besides the lens and accessories are very expensive and the trade-in value when you want to sell is 'regrettable'.

I am advising as an owner of both systems. Friends will go agaga when they see your Hassey, it'll perk you up. But you'll feel the 'burden' of owning one after a while! :D

[seethoe]

zumi..... wake up!...if i hv tat amount of cash to buy a hassey, i would go for D3 (+ trinity lenses....if there's left over). Unless yr desire is for MF.....then go ahead.

I think the issue is abt film versus electronic sensors. But do note that both are analog capture. For digital, the electronic sensors digitize the analog signal. While film are scanned. Eg. 8MP DSLR at ISO100 and above, the digital gives the same or better spartial resolution compared to film.

There seems to be an urban legend that says digital cameras have less dynamic range than 35mm film. The legend is wrong. Slide records about 5 photographic stops of information. The negative film shows about 7 stops. The DSLR is about 10 stops of information (note that Canon 1D MkII is abt 11.6 stop output).

So my take is why spend so much to change to film when wat appears to the eye is so minute at current digital technology. Unless yr aim is go MF then ignore wat i said above....:) but why MF?

[ShaolinTiger]

zumi..... wake up!...if i hv tat amount of cash to buy a hassey, i would go for D3 (+ trinity lenses....if there's left over). Unless yr desire is for MF.....then go ahead

The Hassey is about 7k....you can barely even buy 1 lens with that.

[seethoe]

The Hassey is about 7k....you can barely even buy 1 lens with that.

new hassy? okie...D300 is good enough though....:P

[Alan]

Digital vs analog dilemma is like FM3a vs D300 or something like that. Zumi's wet dreams are not just that but also a format dilemma!

[raclette]

There seems to be an urban legend that says digital cameras have less dynamic range than 35mm film. The legend is wrong. Slide records about 5 photographic stops of information. The negative film shows about 7 stops. The DSLR is about 10 stops of information (note that Canon 1D MkII is abt 11.6 stop output).
now that is something new to me. i know slides do have less DR if compared to dlsr but didnt know that negative films fall in the same category:? which means that fuji s3/s5 are the kings of DR? (dunno about MF or LF)

[noruazumi]

Digital vs analog dilemma is like FM3a vs D300 or something like that. Zumi's wet dreams are not just that but also a format dilemma!
haha... ditto!

[Spearosteam]

I've been having wet dreams of going analog all the way, Hasselblad 503CW to be exact.
So, I thought of selling ALL my digital gears and get myself a nice film camera & a decent compact digital camera (if i want to shoot in digital).

If you are having the same dilemma, what would you do?

Izzit something like this:cool:http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/2502588072_3b81d6e7d3.jpg

Large:http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/2502588072_8cb77a7f62_o.jpg

[morpheuse]

just to bust a myth here - the hasselblad 503 is not a studio camera per se - u want a studio camera, get a 553 ELX. comes with a motor winder at the bottom. very hefty. very nice. the winding noise it makes everytime it snaps a picture is like music to my ears... =)

and to tell you the truth, unless youre a pro whose bread and butter is a hasselblad, u dont need to spend an arm and a leg. and u can sell your equipment at the same price u got it if not more...=)

example, i bought an 80mm C lens for just below RM1k on ebay. i use a x2 converter for portraits and closeups. much cheaper than buying a 120mm f4 at RM3500 (minimum)

Also bought for someone a whole set of 501C for less then 3k. its made in the 90s, so still considered new. comes complete with back, WLF, and one 80mm lens.

also bought an SWC for RM2700.

if i sell it, i can sell it more on ebay, so buyin a hassy is like buying a merc, as long as its running and in good condition, there will be willing buyers. =)

Thanks for the heads-up, noordin.
Never knew that Hasselblad can be HASSLEblad. :P
Anyway, this is only a wet dream.
Seeing the price tag of Hassey lenses really a turn-off point. :redface:


hahahaha... you are very very 'helpful'. :D


Pin-Holes!!! Never really have the time to DIY it. :redface:

[noruazumi]

thanks morpheuse for the great info. you make me think in different perspectives now. :)