Nikon D90...rumours...

[karheng]

Latest features of the D90..upgrade from the current D80 (extracted from bythom.com)

1) Bigger LCD screen (most probably same as D300)
2) 4.5 fps (up from 3 fps)
3) Round buttons with OK in the middle of directional pad
4) Live View with Video recording capability (new in class)
5) Paired with 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 VR kit

A likely upgrade option for those with d40s?

[noordin]

You should have linked the page. :(

[sinister]

You should have linked the page. :(

i think it was taken from bythom

[jameslow]

wah liao, video recording :D

[karheng]

heheh i did... it's from bythom.com. It's on the front page...it's in his news shorts...

[noruazumi]

Hopefully D90 comes with built-in AF motor.
Else people who have interest will slowly move to Canon or other brands.

[karheng]

It should, otherwise many d80/d70 users will not find any reason to upgrade....

[ShaolinTiger]

Hopefully D90 comes with built-in AF motor.
Else people who have interest will slowly move to Canon or other brands.

Er why?

Canon bodies all don't have AF motor.

[ultra7]

D90 ya
hope it will be out this september :)

[noruazumi]

Er why?

Canon bodies all don't have AF motor.
Errrr... Because most Canon entry level got no limitation like Nikon D40/x or D60, no?

[ShaolinTiger]

Errrr... Because most Canon entry level got no limitation like Nikon D40/x or D60, no?

All Canon EF-S bodies have limitations no?

[noruazumi]

All Canon EF-S bodies have limitations no?
Don't know. U think?

[ShaolinTiger]

Well they have 2 lens mounting systems even for modern bodies and the old lenses can't be used on new bodies unlike Nikon F mount, which can work even without AF.

I'd say both EF and EF-S have limitations in their own ways.

[kiankheong]

It should, otherwise many d80/d70 users will not find any reason to upgrade....

I thought this way should be the natural progression, if done step-wise

1. D200 users upgrading to D3/D700

2. D70/D80/D50 users upgrading to D300

3. D40/D60 users upgrading to the coming D90

4. P&S users upgrading to D60.

Of course, people with enough budget can upgrade way way higher. :D

[noruazumi]

But latest Canon's body should be able to AF on any lens while Nikon's entry level (e.g. D60) can only AF on AF-S lenses, right?

[gr2k]

well EF and EF-S lenses can be used on all EF-S Canon bodies..FD is a really old format...in canon's case all EF/EF-S lenses have a built in motor so it's not a problem to them...

but only AF-S/AF-I lenses can be used 100% on D40/x/60....true, all nikon lenses still can mount but a whole lot of modern day lenses (AF-D/AF-G) lose AF capability on the D40/x/60..

however, what i find genius is that Nikon FX bodies can use both FX and DX lenses but Canon EF bodies can only use EF lenses...

about the D90, i think its not to worry about..if it's an upgrade from D80 it should come with an AF Drive coz it's not an entry level camera..

D50/70/s/80 upwards all have an AF Drive..even the latest D300/3/700 has an AF Drive

[noruazumi]

I thought this way should be the natural progression, if done step-wise

1. D200 users upgrading to D3/D700

2. D70/D80/D50 users upgrading to D300

3. D40/D60 users upgrading to the coming D90

4. P&S users upgrading to D60.

Of course, people with enough budget can upgrade way way higher. :D
This is so wrong!!!














The real upgrade is from digital to analog! LOL!

[orionmystery]

This is so wrong!!!














The real upgrade is from digital to analog! LOL!

I thought that's downgrade? LOL :D:run_away:

[noruazumi]

I thought that's downgrade? LOL :D:run_away:
That one is upgrading.
Downgrading is when you switch to Canon. :run_away:

[hueikwang]

:D all sifu are talking around. I really hope the D90 will come out soon, so that i can upgrade my D40. If there is no built-in motor inside the body can say is a good news. Coz Nikon is coming out with the AF-s prime lens soon... :0

[dinduboy14]

it seems Nikon is producing more camera bodies then lens in this past 1 year; d300,d3,d60,d700,d90(?)

[karheng]

kiankheong...not necessarily in the way you mentioned but of course, i think the D90 should be highly targeted on those using D50, D70 and perhaps also some D40 users to a certain extent. Having that extra fps boost, that high quality screen, video recording, live view and more extras seem like a worthy jump. Perhaps not the D80, which most of them should probably target the D300 or D700 if their pockets are a little deeper.

I am quite sure the ISO performance should improve..but nothing has yet to be said about it...

[ShaolinTiger]

Best buy is still a D200!

[jameslow]

if ISO as good as D700, happy not? :D

i sure will buy one.

[tools4fools]

I dunno why 'best buy' would be a D200. If wouldn't want to miss AF from D300, then there is EXPEED image processing, picture control settings...way more camera you get in D300.

That's same talk to me as D60 only being a small upgrade to D40x. Why? Not more pixels, so no real upgrade? Well, that EXPEED image processing plus improved picture controls (plus dust removal/prevention sys) is quite an upgrade.
Only problem is that some people think if they have a D40x and upgrade to a D60 they should get a D90...

Jump one step if you really need the big upgrade (from D40 to D60 for example).
All the talk about not having an AF screw anymore is temporarily anyway - Nikon is going to put a little motor in ALL lenses within comparatively short time span.
To me it seems much more useless to buy any brandnew lens without AF-S these days - as there will be an AF-S version of this lens in the near future.

D90 will be what it should be: an improved D80. You won't get a slim D300...
*****

[ShaolinTiger]

AF on D300 is noticeably more laggy than D200, generally it's a less responsive camera, unless you turn everything off, then it's closer to being the same...but then what's the point in having 3D matrix tracking AF whatsit?

Plus the RAW output from D200 vs D300 is roughly the same, only the onboard NR is much smarter so at high ISO the pictures look much cleaner.

You only get the benefits if you shoot raw and you use NX2.

D300 is better, but for almost half the price, the D200 is the best bang for the buck.

[dinduboy14]

i think flickr has a thread on CMOS vs CCD;
http://www.flickr.com/groups/d200/discuss/72157603814096864/

anyway back to d90(?) please :D :D

[kiankheong]

Psssst! ST is trying hard to sell off his D200. :P

Anyway, read that D300's autofocus only lags when in the 51 autofocus points mode. Should be faster when set to normal number of autofocus points.

[gr2k]

Best buy is still a D200!
100% agreed! you pay much less for the D200 with marginal difference in features compared to the D300...
i mean honsetly do u even use the 51-AF Point mode? personally i've never really used it for any purpose at all..only for the fun of testing it's IQ

i think flickr has a thread on CMOS vs CCD;
http://www.flickr.com/groups/d200/discuss/72157603814096864/
CCD to CMOS is like a Manual to Automatic car...you can't really compare which is better as they both have their benefits...
why CMOS is more popular among manufacturers today (IMHO) is because it's cheaper..money matters, profits rule.


anyway..just for laughs: Nikon D90 'Specs' (http://yourphotoarchive.com/laugh.htm)..how do people come up with things like these?! lol

[tools4fools]

Yes, D200 is good value for money, agree.

But the 51 point AF on D300 is laggy conmpared to D3, sure, but it is way faster than 51 point AF on D200. and if switched off it's not noticable less responsive me thinks...

Inbody NR is one thing (and great for those who shoot JPEG which still is surprising lot - not me however) but if you don't use capture NX and raw and the possibilities of that combo then I wonder why you shoot RAW to begin with...?

Other picture controls like 'vivid' 'neutral', etc with the possibility to crank them up make for an entire customized picture control not comparable to D200. Of course if you don't use this in your various shooting banks then what use is a D300 in the first place?

It's little differences which do make for a significant upgrade worth the money in my opinion.
And first I had the same opinion, it's just a slightly improved D200.
Not anymore after comparing the two head one for a few days.

Different opinions here.
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On the 51 AF on D300:
I took images like the following using 51 active point AF it with the D300 and the camera had no troubles focusing. The pic below was made later on once I got my D3 on same location, point being D300 AF had no troubles with same kind of images:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x270/egoipse/Bangkok08_474.jpg
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[BumbleBee]

Heard rumours. D90 come with video recording ? :0
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/05/nikon-d90-rumors-heating-up-ahead-of-photokina-as-well/

[calvin_gsc]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3758/nikond901bq8.jpg

First posted picture on D90...

Looks pretty real...

[clickNsnap]

how about D99... :)

[Alan]

how about D99... :)

LOL, good one. :cool::cool:

[BumbleBee]

http://images.quickblogcast.com/3/2/2/2/2/130718-122223/Nikon_Photokina_small.jpg
:)

[ejatz]

:0:0:0:0:0 d90 body look like same with d80 body

[dinduboy14]

:0:0:0:0:0 d90 body look like same with d80 body

muhahhahaha

[dagg3r]

we'll just have to sit back and wait for september to come.:cool:

[SushiMonster]

I can't wait to find out what's the price tag. ...

[Satindolls]

I can't wait to find out what's the price tag. ...

I personally suspect that if D90 gets released, the body pricing alone may hit at least RM3k or a little more, just to be somewhat at par with the Canon EOS40D (just a matter of marketing gimmicks :D)

[SushiMonster]

I personally suspect that if D90 gets released, the body pricing alone may hit at least RM3k or a little more, just to be somewhat at par with the Canon EOS40D (just a matter of marketing gimmicks :D)

cannot be against 40D lah....

Canon vs Nikon rivalry is like this isnt it... :-

1D vs D3
5D vs D700
40D vs D300
450D vs D80
1000D vs D60

So.... if Nikon plays their cards according to this rivalry ... it should price itself close to 450D's pricing.... around 3k kitted.

At the moment 450D is around 2.8k and D80 is around 3.3k kitted. But if u remove the kit, body only, both are the same price around 2.5k. 450D is clearly pulling way ahead of D80 in market share. Nikon desparately has to do something about this market segment.

[kljs]

But I was wondering if the rumours are true, why have video thingy? I would think Nikon is making a big mistake here. A camera should do what only a camera should do, and a video camera should only do what a video camera should do. We might find one day that your camera even have a built-in handphone, do your laundry, surf the internet and pay your bills!!!! I wouldn't mind having a video function on a clickNshot camera or my handphone, but when I buy a camera like a DSLR, I would only expect its only function is to take a good/great/poor/bad/superb/creative picture and not do anything else.

[Satindolls]

At the moment 450D is around 2.8k and D80 is around 3.3k kitted. But if u remove the kit, body only, both are the same price around 2.5k. 450D is clearly pulling way ahead of D80 in market share. Nikon desparately has to do something about this market segment.

That's a clearer perspective indeed and SushiMonster, thanks for this enlightenment! But then whether 450D is pulling away against D80, it's not too easy to tell as the saying goes: "One man's meat is another man's poison" which I would personally imply onto fundamental features i.e. image quality, focusing, framing, construction issues, and so many more to take note of.....

but when I buy a camera like a DSLR, I would only expect its only function is to take a good/great/poor/bad/superb/creative picture and not do anything else.

EXCELLENT redefinition!:party1::cheers:

[ongl]

Check this out guys!


some of the d90 specs

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Search.do?c=1&searchType=user&keyword=nikon+d90&searchSection=All&go.x=13&go.y=9

[Falcone]

Haha they remove the link

U can check it here
http://www.dailytech.com/Update+Nikon+D90+DSLR+Pricing+Images+Specs+Leaked/article12768.htm

* 12.3-effective megapixel DX-format CMOS imaging sensor
* 5.8x AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR lens included
* D-Movie Mode - Cinematic 24fps HD with sound
* One-button Live View
* Continuous shooting as fast as 4.5 frames per second
* 12.3-effective megapixel DX-format CMOS imaging sensor
* 5.8x AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR lens included
* Low noise ISO sensitivity from 200 to 3200
* 3-inch super-density 920,000-dot color LCD monitor
* Built-in image sensor cleaning
* 11-point AF system with Face Priority
* One-button Live View
* Nikon 3D Color Matrix Metering II with Scene Recognition System
* Comprehensive exposure control
* Auto Active D-lighting
* Shutter precision and durability
* In-Camera Image Editing
* GPS geo-tagging


Seriously who needs video cam now

[ongl]

If they took it down then it must be REAL!

I hope!

Really want this cam man!

[noruazumi]

But seriously, what's the big deal of having the video recording capability?
If it does not affect the photo quality, then why not?
You still have the option to choose whether you want to use the video recording capability or not.

Video is an evolution from photography, BTW.
Even flickr now support the video sharing capability.

[Falcone]

Yeah it would be a cool feature to have, I have people asking for a good camera with video capabilities for a long time. I wouldn't mind having this feature on my DSLR, would come in handy sometimes.

Should it be true I foresee Nikon capturing more market share.

Wonder what is means by HD? 720P or maybe 1080P?

[karheng]

cannot be against 40D lah....

Canon vs Nikon rivalry is like this isnt it... :-

1D vs D3
5D vs D700
40D vs D300
450D vs D80
1000D vs D60

So.... if Nikon plays their cards according to this rivalry ... it should price itself close to 450D's pricing.... around 3k kitted.

At the moment 450D is around 2.8k and D80 is around 3.3k kitted. But if u remove the kit, body only, both are the same price around 2.5k. 450D is clearly pulling way ahead of D80 in market share. Nikon desparately has to do something about this market segment.


Disagree. The D90 is slightly more well featured than the 450D and the 450D seems to be an extension from the 400D. Thus the D90 would be priced a bit more than the 450D definitely. Considering that if the D90 might still retain features to the D80 such as Wireless flash commander which isn't available in the Canon versions, then paying a bit more, perhaps a Rm 500 - 1k premium wouldn't be too much of an ask, that is if you are also comparing the kit lens 18-55 IS versus the 18-105 VR version.

Either way, these lenses are more or less targeted for first time consumers more than anyone else. We all know what happens to the kit lens after the poison is planted..

As for the Camera bodies, The 1D and D3 are flagship models and both are directly competing with each other, so are the D700 and 5D or perhaps the mk2.

However, after that, the scale really goes in the following manner:-

Scale for Advanced Amateurs and Beginners

Previously before Photokina
D300> 40D> D80/450D> D60/1000D

After Photokina, perhaps...
50D/D300 > D90> 450D > D60/1000D

All these are merely assumptions. If you are a good photog and understand your gear well, you don't really need top end stuff to produce stunning mind blowing images.