Super Wide Angle Lenses for dSLR - Sigma 10-20mm, Tamron 11-18mm, Sigma/Tokina/Nikkor 12-24mm, Canon 10-22mm

[ShaolinTiger]

Why Wide?

Most people have trouble decided which lenses to buy, especially when it comes to focal range and aperture.

You might at some point start feeling your kit lens or walk-around lenses just isn't wide enough some times. Most kit lenses are 18mm at the wide end (14mm for the 4/3rds system) and most replacement f/2.8 models are 16mm (16-35mm f/2.8 L) or 17mm (Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8, Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS, Nikkor 17-55mm or 17-35mm f/2.8).

16 or 17mm is fairly wide for a full frame or 35mm film camera, but on a cropped 1.5x or 1.6 sensor it's just not that wide.

That's where this new generation of super wide angle lenses come in 10-12mm at the widest aimed at digital SLR cameras with cropped sensor (APS-C sensors).

For landscape or cityscape junkies a super-wide lens is a must, you just cant back up far enough to get the right perspective.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/396597724_cbf49a8ac0.jpg

The only thing you have to be careful with is perspective distortion, but even with that - you can learn to use it to your advantage.

You need a superwide if:
You always feel like you need to back up to get more in
You often find yourself in tight situations with a wall behind you and you need more focal width
You love landscapes
You are bored of all the 'normal' perspectives and want something differenthttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/223/482761454_4709dedc75.jpg

The last one can also be satiated with a fish-eye lens, but that's a specialist lens and not as useful as a good superwide.

Which Wide?

Ok now you know you NEED a super-wide lens, which one do you buy?

The main choices are:
Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 EX DC HSM
Sigma AF 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 HSM EX DG
Tokina AT-X 124 AF Pro DX 12-24mm f/4
Tamron SP AF11-18mm F/4.5-5.6 Di-II LD ASPHERICAL
Nikon AFS 12-24 mm f/4 G ED IF DX Nikkor
Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USMI'll rate these in order according to my experience with these lenses, online reviews and a lot of research.

A couple of exemptions before I start, if you are using a 5D or other full-frame camera the best bet is probably the Sigma 12-24mm as it's the only REALLY wide full-frame lens. 16mm might be wide enough for you on a FF though.

If you are a Canon user the 10-22mm is probably the best bet, it's sharp, focuses fast and has nice colour/contrast. Between that and the Sigma it's a close call - I suggest you try them both.

The rest is mostly for Nikon users as our Nikkor lens (The 12-24mm) isn't great, so we really need to look at the 3rd party offerings.

The difference between 10mm and 12mm is considerable, go wide!

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I have tested all of these lenses.

In 3rd place - Nikon AFS 12-24 mm f/4 G ED IF DX Nikkor

The main thing this lens has going for it..is build quality and it's made by Nikon!

Plus it's contast f/4 - but seriously who's gonna be shooting landscapes without a tripod wide open? If you are spending 2k on a landscape lens I doubt that's a consideration.

The Tokina build quality is just as good as this lens, plus it has better sharpness edge to edge.

Not that sharpness is a huge consideration for super-wide lenses, none of them are super sharp.

I think is probably the most over-priced Nikon lens - not to say it's completely crap...but it's certainly not the best choice. I'm a great fan of Nikon lenses, but I think the 12-24mm is a waste of space. I'd much prefer the 10.5mm Fisheye if I was gonna spend that kind of cash.

Plus it's 12mm, if you wanna go wide - go all the way!

Price around RM3300.

In 2nd place - Tokina AT-X 124 AF Pro DX 12-24mm f/4

If you are bothered by distortion (likely to shoot architecture), get the Tokina 12-24mm, it's second best in my books, sharper than the Nikkor, build quality can easily equal it and it's much cheaper.

This is a super lens, if you don't want the extra 2mm get this lens, build quality is superb, sharp, contrasty, nice colours and virtually no distortion

Price around RM1800.

In 1st place Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 EX DC HSM

I bought the Sigma 10-20mm, the HSM is fast and smooth and silent, it's sharp, the distortion is just fine.

I actually like it, it makes for more interesting pictures, I find pictures from the Tokina and the Canon 10-22mm which both handle distortion extremely well rather 'flat'.

The 10mm makes a BIG difference too, each mm towards the wide end works out as a lot of degrees. If I want wide, I want really wide!

If not I'd just stick to the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 as that is razor sharp.

The build quality is fine and the quality control issue is mostly end-user error - there are very few actually bad lenses. It has HSM so the focusing is fast and silent and it works on the New Nikon D40 and D40x.

The non-constant aperture isn't an issue as I mentioned above, usually on a tripod at f/8-11 anyway.

Owning the 10-20mm the only complaints I would have are:
Stupid coating which is liable to peel off
Stupid side-pinch lens cap which can't be used with the lenscap on (I changed mine for center-pinch Nikon cap - which is good)
Non constant f/4 aperture - but as I explained above in reality I don't find this a limitationPrice around RM2000.

The Others

Worst of the lot was Tamron 11-18mm, ugly distortion, bad build quality, slow focus, lacking contrast and muted colours, just what you don't want for a mainly landscape lens.

The Sigma 12-24mm is a HUGE lens, it lacks filter support and it's heavy. It's not particularly sharp but distortion is extremely well controlled. I'll suggest this one only for full frame users.

Pictures from the Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 EX DC HSM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/493857142_0caf27c0cb.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/538534245_21a7ba8149.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/494554751_4fffc1a344.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1425/560920622_0c68b9c7f9.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/438830922_bf77196505.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/494534164_ceadd13652.jpg

Go get a super-wide - it'll add an extra dimension to your pictures.

[limgt]

Cool article! I'm expected to get my Sigma 10-20mm by year end, hopefully in time for HK trip! Previously was pondering between Nikkor 18-200VR and the Sigma, but I figure I love landscapes too much to miss the 10mm - furthermore, it's cheaper! :p

[siew]

An ultra wide really adds a new dimension to your photographs. Some shots from the Canon EF-S 10-22


http://www.pbase.com/siewkhee/image/83666699/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/siewkhee/image/83666704/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/siewkhee/image/83666706/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/siewkhee/image/83666695/original.jpg

[limgt]

I guess I'll just have to live with stitching pano before getting my hands on ultra wide :P

9 become 1 @ 18mm :(

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Tugu Negara/National Monument

[bcteh]

Yeah ...10mm is the ideal focal length for landscape.

[noordin]

Very good article ST. :thumbs_up:

Guys, superb wide angle shots! :tongue_roll:

[ND40]

ST, you are just too bad. You make me want to spend more. You make an additional item to my wist list.:mad:

Anyway, thx for you effort to put up the review!!:cheers:

[noruazumi]

great write-up ST.
this would be a great help for those who want to get super-wide lenses.

[limgt]

great write-up ST.
this would be a great help for those who want to get super-wide lenses.

Not great help, but great poison... :p

[ckchowov]

Wah...makes me wanna find a superwide converter lense for my FZ50.

[karheng]

ckchowov: easy to find one i'm sure..

ST: thanks for the write up...u just made me decide on this...

[Fishhook]

thanks for the write up ST:D

[transit2]

Dear ST:

May I know if this "In 1st place Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 EX DC HSM" able to fit in Nikon D40x body? Thanks!

[ShaolinTiger]

Dear ST:

May I know if this "In 1st place Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 EX DC HSM" able to fit in Nikon D40x body? Thanks!

Yes and the autofocus will work as it's a HSM lens (it has internal autofocus motor).

[ZulSim]

Thanks ST for the comprehensive article on the super wide lenses. It will be helpful to a lot of people here if you can do an article on macro lenses. Thanks again.

[ND40]

Dear ST:

May I know if this "In 1st place Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 EX DC HSM" able to fit in Nikon D40x body? Thanks!

For more info about lens compatibility for D40, you can always refer to
D40's AF compatible lens (http://www.shutterasia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2859)

I will update once more lens from Nikon or Sigma and the AF work in D40. If you it incomplete, i'm more than happy if you can update me.

[ShaolinTiger]

Thanks ST for the comprehensive article on the super wide lenses. It will be helpful to a lot of people here if you can do an article on macro lenses. Thanks again.

Sure, that's a great idea.

[csjian]

Thanks a lot ya. ST for the sharing, it really help ya. :cool:

[Idle]

where to find sigma 10-20 for pentax?!

[clemong888]

after much thinking i'm thinking i'm finally gonna get the sigma 10-20 even though its 300 more over the tokina. it has a shorter minimum focus distance which i think is good :P

[tcmnc]

Man ST, this is really poison!:tongue_roll:

[wic_98]

anyone try Tamron SP AF11-18mm F/4.5-5.6 Di-II LD ASPHERICAL??? :?

[luke1021]

great article! now im tempted to get the 10-20 sigma liao = ="

Btw, anyone knows the difference of the angle of view between a 10mm and a 12mm on a canon mount?

[ad_arjax]

anyone try Tamron SP AF11-18mm F/4.5-5.6 Di-II LD ASPHERICAL??? :?

i use it... tp tak upload lg la.. nanti i share k

[ikelah]

great, now i can decide what to look for! thanks for sharing.

[luke1021]

btw, is there any place in KL that sells the Tokina 12-24? 2nd hand or 1st hand, im interested in this one.

[ShaolinTiger]

btw, is there any place in KL that sells the Tokina 12-24? 2nd hand or 1st hand, im interested in this one.

J-one stocks it, give him a call to make sure he has, I'm sure YL will have some too.

[QuickShare]

oh god.. please.. it's between Sigma and Tokina.. playing budget now :D so which one? :(

[ikelah]

sigma 10-20 :cool:

[Mavik]

Thanks to this thread ST, I bit the bullet and bought the Sigma 10-20mm lens on Monday. So much for my next year's resolution on saving cash :P

[karheng]

Thanks to this thread ST, I bit the bullet and bought the Sigma 10-20mm lens on Monday. So much for my next year's resolution on saving cash :P

He He He! Welcome to the kelab!

[ndgoh]

Thanks to this thread ST, I bit the bullet and bought the Sigma 10-20mm lens on Monday. So much for my next year's resolution on saving cash :P


You mean... you bit the wallet... :0 So, koyak edi lor.... teeheehee....

My wallet is going to koyak oso... Will get 1 before CNY le... Thanks to ST for the wonderful poison.... :P

Great tips mate... Really do appreciate the write up... THANKS!!!

[xandman]

after reading this thread again...
i feel like cancelling my 24-70...going for 10-20!

[bobtahar]

Can afford only Wide angle converter :redface:
but that Sigma 10-20 is sweeet :tongue_roll:
My wide thru wide angle converter

http://www.haria-penang.net/bobtahar/gallery/eye/medium/0014.jpg

http://www.haria-penang.net/bobtahar/gallery/kelong/medium/0025.jpg

http://www.haria-penang.net/bobtahar/gallery/baliII/medium/0033.jpg

[goldfries]

the thing is, whether I should consider lens that could cover me even when upgrade to full-frame.

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM
Sigma 10-20mm F/4-5.6 EX DC HSM

this 2 confirm cannot use on Canon FF body.

Nikon AFS 12-24 mm f/4 G ED IF DX Nikkor <=-- this one of course la cannot Canon also.

Tokina AT-X 124 AF Pro DX 12-24mm f/4
Tamron SP AF11-18mm F/4.5-5.6 Di-II LD ASPHERICAL

these 2 are uncertain. anyone knows?

so left with ==> Sigma AF 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 HSM EX DG

not as wide as the 10-22 / 10-20 on cropped sensor body but then on FF, it's gonna be even wider.

question : how much difference would I if i decide to go for 12mm instead of 10mm.

http://www.shutterasia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5221&d=1186926320

based on this image, looks like quite a fair bit. ST, was this taken on FF or cropped unit?

[halimhamdan]

wow this is poison poison,, need to but one next year... makan maggi makan maggi makan maggi:?:run_away::tongue_roll:

[karheng]

Goldfries: If you want to go for Canon FF, 5D or the replacement plus Wideangle. There is ONLY 1 lens which you have mentioned which allows this...

The 12-24 Sigma. That works with the 5D!

The 12mm will then be wider than what you see in what ST has posted as all his shots were taken in DX format so 10mm will be 15mm actually...12 will be wider!

[ShaolinTiger]

The Sigma 12-24mm is the ONLY full frame super-wide angle lens.

It'll be much wider than the diagram - 12mm on FF is amazingly wide and very distorted.

I'd get a DX or digital lens first, worry about full frame later, and equivalent on FF you only need 16mm anyway.

It seems like sharing info is the ultimate form of poison haha.

[SooHK]

was in bangkok last week, wanted to swipe card for the canon 10-22mm, it seems sold out... feel a bit weird though as the shop its a big shop. So dreaming at night that canon is coming out with a 10-22mm for FF hence no old 10-22mm stock hahaha

Almost swipe the card on tokina 12-24mm instead but heard a lot of CA and Flare problem hence did not.. as its quite cheap in Bangkok, *Update* Rm1700 only.. not sure Malaysia berapa.

[karheng]

It seems like sharing info is the ultimate form of poison haha.

The problem here is, you didn't just share info...you share photos as well..that usually is the biggest form of poison! :run_away:

[aragorn]

Me interested too..(have been saving some cash without my wife knowing... he3x)...

So far cheapest offered is from Foto Selangor for RM2,370. Bintang Maju (Low Yat) offering RM2,390. Is this price ok ?

[ShaolinTiger]

Me interested too..(have been saving some cash without my wife knowing... he3x)...

So far cheapest offered is from Foto Selangor for RM2,370. Bintang Maju (Low Yat) offering RM2,390. Is this price ok ?

For Sigma 10-20mm? No way man, maximum you should pay is RM2100 for local warranty version.

You can get grey for RM1800.

I bought mine for RM2150 including 77mm Hoya filter from Key Color Mid Valley.

[aragorn]

oh...sorry...i'm referring to canon 10-22mm...:redface:

[Mavik]

after reading this thread again...
i feel like cancelling my 24-70...going for 10-20!

Using a 24-70mm is very weird on a 1.5x crop sensor. Weird range to me, not wide enough and not enough telephoto. Get the 10-20mm and you won't regret it but since you have the 10.8mm fish eye...:run_away:

[goldfries]

Goldfries: If you want to go for Canon FF, 5D or the replacement plus Wideangle. There is ONLY 1 lens which you have mentioned which allows this...

The Sigma 12-24mm is the ONLY full frame super-wide angle lens.

thought so. I've been eyeing on it for months. :)

The 12mm will then be wider than what you see in what ST has posted as all his shots were taken in DX format so 10mm will be 15mm actually...12 will be wider!

yup, i know.

The thing about that 12-24 is that on APS-C camera, it's less wide than EF-S 10-22. :(

So if i get that now and use on APS-C cameras then it's less wide. hehe. damn tough choices. most likely i get the 10-22 / 10-20 and worry about FF later, still can pass the 10-22 to my wife. hehe.

I'd get a DX or digital lens first, worry about full frame later, and equivalent on FF you only need 16mm anyway.

as above. hehe. worry about FF later cos i think i'll be collecting more lenses before jumping into FF. cos if go FF now, only my EF 50mm f1.8 II will be usable.

[ndgoh]

My finance minister say no more budget for next first half of the year.... baby coming soon... :rolleyes:

[bugger]

here is a comparison of nikkor 12-24 and tamron 11-18

http://www.pbase.com/heng88/image/91725730/original.jpg

[g88]

poison thread :tongue_roll:..initially really plan to get 17-50 F2.8 to replace my kitlens...now think of going for Sigma 10-20mm already :D

Canon one nice but pricy...

Whats the best price for Sigma and Tokina around KL, which shop recommended also ? Need local warranty unit....for canon mount ya :)

[syedfirdaus]

finally bought mine...sigma 10-20...super puas hati...ehehehe...here's some of my pics...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2297/2208146763_0837fb677a.jpg
:run_away:

[dinduboy14]

lots explanation here on wideangle lense;
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/digital-wide-zooms/comparison.htm

he recomended 1st Nikon then 2) Tonika. How come le?? :? :?

[ShaolinTiger]

Read what he says, if you are interested in making interesting images and not looking at sharpness charts get the Sigma :)

If you base your lens purchases on MTR readings, get the Nikkor or the Tokina.

[ndgoh]

lots explanation here on wideangle lense;
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/digital-wide-zooms/comparison.htm

he recomended 1st Nikon then 2) Tonika. How come le?? :? :?

Of course le... If can get the Nikon 14-24 f2.8 and shoot on a D3 le... :P

[waters]

Actually i disagree with Ken on his findings. Tokina's 12-24 is prone to 2 things that i cannot tolerate in landscape shooting:

1)Vignetting at widest angle - no point if it's wide like hell if your pics has dark corners And force you to crop it smaller
2)Flare - coz most landscape shooting occurs when there's sunlight

That is why i chose sigma over the Tokina.

Yes the Sigma has weird distortions but if ur's not shooting a straight line then you wont see it. Even if you shoot a straight horizon it's ok to step down to 12mm and lose most of that distortion. it's also not the sharpest but the other brands is not close to smoking it or the pics that it produce comes out horrible

Just my 2 cents and no offence to Tokina users.

P/S: want to enclose some poison of my own.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w309/waters_andrew/DSC_15450001.jpg

[ndgoh]

Whoa... Logical comments... I like landscape but no budget for a wide lense yet... Most likely I'll go with Sigma... :D

Its good to give constructive differing opinions from a real user (some one who use it for a longer duration)

Ken sometimes just play with it for a few weeks and then give his personal opinion le... :P

[ShaolinTiger]

Whoa... Logical comments... I like landscape but no budget for a wide lense yet... Most likely I'll go with Sigma... :D

Its good to give constructive differing opinions from a real user (some one who use it for a longer duration)

Ken sometimes just play with it for a few weeks and then give his personal opinion le... :P

Few weeks? Dude he's a nut job, he reviews lens he hasn't even touched yet, most he had for a few hours..

[mike3329]

ST,

Do we need to use slim profile filters with super wide angle lenses or will the normal ones do?

I have been trying to get a 'pre-owned' Tokina 12-24 but seller's price expectations too high compared with what I have got to pay for a new one!

Ta

[ShaolinTiger]

ST,

Do we need to use slim profile filters with super wide angle lenses or will the normal ones do?

I have been trying to get a 'pre-owned' Tokina 12-24 but seller's price expectations too high compared with what I have got to pay for a new one!

Ta

Yeah recommended to use slim filters, and don't stack, if not you'll get vignetting..worst when wide open.

When stopped down to f/11 not so bad, but still recommend slim and slim CPL to minimize light fall-off.

[dinduboy14]

are there any Tokina's 12-24 users who can comment on this lens?

[ndgoh]

are there any Tokina's 12-24 users who can comment on this lens?

You are getting a Tokina lens ma?

[dinduboy14]

yes yes .. hopefully; depending on comments :D :D

[ndgoh]

I dont own a wide lense yet (no money la) but my research (google) and observation tells me that between Tokina and Sigma, Sigma its the way to go coz there are more reviews favouring sigma and more people using sigma and I tend to go with the crowd. I dont understand ALL those technical jargons ma..

ST has got one and he's very happy with it... But if your gut feeling tells you tokina is the right one, go ahead coz ultimately you are the one will be enjoying your new toy... Few months later if not ok can sell to me with a 20% discount la.... j/k le... :D

[dinduboy14]

Sifus, when using wide angle lens, which filter is recommended? UV,ND or CP :? :?
Normally use lens for landscape & building pictures and plz don't say all 3 cause sudah pokai already!! :run_away:

[braendan]

Sifus, when using wide angle lens, which filter is recommended? UV,ND or CP :? :?
Normally use lens for landscape & building pictures and plz don't say all 3 cause sudah pokai already!! :run_away:

UV - this filter would be on your lens most of the time generally use for protection or reducing UV glares. Unless you have nerves of steel or your lens does not allow you to put on a filter then this is not applicable. The popular ones in Malaysia are the HOYA ones.

ND - there are two general categories the ND and the ND grad depending on your requirements you may require both. ND increases you F stops enabling you to have a longer exposure useful when you want to e.g. shoot waterfalls (milky effect). ND grad is useful when you want to even out the exposure between the bright skies and the landscape. Please do more research on google to understand what is the purpose. The popular ones in malaysia are from Cokin.

CP - CP filters or CPL would be use to either reduce the glass / water reflection or if you want to have a more blue sky. You can go for HOYA, B+W or even Cokin. Please search the forums for more information on CPL as this has been very extensively discussed.

Depending on your requirements and what you intend to shoot you may require all 3.

[dinduboy14]

Much thanks braendan for the helpful information.
uhmm i think what i need is a CLP since the sky in the country very glaring!! (australia i mean) & hoya definetelly because me PMS (poor man's son) :D

[braendan]

Much thanks braendan for the helpful information.
uhmm i think what i need is a CLP since the sky in the country very glaring!! (australia i mean) & hoya definetelly because me PMS (poor man's son) :D

I think you got the wrong definition. CPL is not a magic tool that can make overcast skies look blue. Please search shutter treads on CPL there has been extensive discussion on what it can and cannot do. Plus tips on how to use it.

[dinduboy14]

For those still in the dark on wide angle lenses, have a peek at this review;

http://www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/nikkor/af/wide_angles_shootout/index.html

[neoro]

I'm going to check out the Sigma 12-24 later at Cathy Photo. Hheheheh, looking for a wide lens so that I can take 18 shots to stitch to a 360x180 pano :P

[daleylay]

ST,

on 1st page, those pic you took /w sigma why no distortion ? are they pp and crop or step down to how much distortion start to disappear ? can't see in EXIF can you specify the focal length for 5 photos , many many thx...

[eddyjnv]

so what about the canon efs 10-22? izzit good?

[neoro]

Some wides sample - Sigma 12-24 @ 12mm

1)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/2573632956_91f277ff25_o.jpg

2)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2573632558_d789956d5f_o.jpg

3)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3277/2573631966_0cf6fc04d8_o.jpg

4)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3103/2572808173_399eea8153_o.jpg

5)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3004/2573626854_2752fb9641_o.jpg

[Saigo]

Is it me or there's a lot of distortion in pics #4 and #5?

I've got a question. I'm debating between getting a Canon 10-22mm or a Sigma 10-20mm, and the only thing that's stopping me from getting the Canon is that I can't use it on a full-frame body should I decide to upgrade in the future (light years from now, but still, gotta plan ahead eh).

Earlier in this topic goldfries mentioned that the Sigma 10-20mm can't be used on a FF body, why is this so? If that's the case I might as well just stick to Canon then?

[neoro]

Is it me or there's a lot of distortion in pics #4 and #5?

I've got a question. I'm debating between getting a Canon 10-22mm or a Sigma 10-20mm, and the only thing that's stopping me from getting the Canon is that I can't use it on a full-frame body should I decide to upgrade in the future (light years from now, but still, gotta plan ahead eh).

Earlier in this topic goldfries mentioned that the Sigma 10-20mm can't be used on a FF body, why is this so? If that's the case I might as well just stick to Canon then?

ITs distortion alright. You can't have everything on such a wide scope considering the widest that Canon has to offer is hmmm... the 14mm prime ?

Nope, neither the 10-22 Canon / Sigma works on FF. If you're planning to go wide, the Canon 14mm prime is wonderful, infact those Zeiss Primes around the 20mm focal range offers excellent wide quality.

The Sigma 10-20 is build for a smaller crop sized sensor, so the 35mm sensor wont be able to shine on the sigma as you will have the cute dark borders.

Oh yeah, 4 & 5 was taken at 12mm on a FF thats why the distortion.

[siew]

Is it me or there's a lot of distortion in pics #4 and #5?

I've got a question. I'm debating between getting a Canon 10-22mm or a Sigma 10-20mm, and the only thing that's stopping me from getting the Canon is that I can't use it on a full-frame body should I decide to upgrade in the future (light years from now, but still, gotta plan ahead eh).

Earlier in this topic goldfries mentioned that the Sigma 10-20mm can't be used on a FF body, why is this so? If that's the case I might as well just stick to Canon then?

I had the same thought but couldn't wait anymore. The Canon 10-22 is an excellent lens and never regret a single bit. :Poke: I have the 17-40 in my dry box waiting for the FF cam. :P

[ShaolinTiger]

Just get the Canon 10-22mm you won't regret it, it's a superb lens.

[Saigo]

Thanks guys, guess I'll just get the Canon 10-22mm after all when I get around to buying it. :)

[goldfries]

Earlier in this topic goldfries mentioned that the Sigma 10-20mm can't be used on a FF body, why is this so? If that's the case I might as well just stick to Canon then?

because the Sigma 10-20 is labelled DC. those labelled DC can't be used on FF body. just like how Canon's EF-S lens can't be used on FF body either.

for me, i got the Sigma 10-20 because it was cheap but what I liked is that the output was good. it comes with HSM too.

[Saigo]

Just read around on the Net that the Tokina 11-16 is very, very sharp - even sharper than Canon even, despite the poorer flare control. Now reconsidering my options and might get the Tokina if I can find it in Bangkok.

http://www.pbase.com/lightrules/1022v1116

[mki88]

Just read around on the Net that the Tokina 11-16 is very, very sharp - even sharper than Canon even, despite the poorer flare control. Now reconsidering my options and might get the Tokina if I can find it in Bangkok.

http://www.pbase.com/lightrules/1022v1116

Yes t's a great piece that suppot f2.8 too. Can use this lens to do indoor photography.

[nfirdaus]

Tested with Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 & Tokina 11-16mm f2.8

Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/2627525122_929dcaa7dc_o.jpg

Tokina ATX-Pro 116 f2.8
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2627525620_dbc4bc301d_o.jpg

You can evaluate under your own opinion about the sharpness, distortion & colour.

Taken with Nikon D50/Matrix metering/11mm/f14/ 1/200 SS/ISO200. Others setting I won't touch anything, same as inside PSCS3. Just crop to 800x533

I'm not regret own this lense but more satisfied the improvement from Nikkor 12-24 & Tokina 124 atx-pro.

More picture you can browse at http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfirdaus

[Saigo]

That's beautiful nfirdaus. Tokina seems to be the clear winner.

Where did you buy your Tokina from, and how much?

[nfirdaus]

U got pm...kekekeke:D

Let's the photo talk everything...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2635631199_b5f37e50c0_o.jpg
*Just increase little bit the saturation. Shoot around 530pm on last week

See the flare control.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3267/2626739323_56f364288b_o.jpg

[Saigo]

Eh damn cantik la. The flare control is fantastic too.. as opposed to the pictures posted by one tester here (http://www.pbase.com/lightrules/uwaflare).

[prawnsalad]

i got my sigma 10-20 around RM1800 in J-One and here's some sample shots i took last 2 days..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2659143957_8964496a64.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3291/2659144087_3aef76787d.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/2659144471_c68178ae65.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3071/2668014757_d14f5cc1d1.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3291/2668833406_49985d18b8.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3180/2668016147_77d5b76746.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3039/2667765185_522087c449.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3240/2668578590_020253bbca.jpg

i'm really satisfied with the coverage of the lens and it's distortion even though in some of my shots i didn't use the 10mm(too wide even for 1.5x crop factor on DX camera) :P..i used to own the tokina 12-24 f/4 but I prefer and suggest for all of u who wants to get a wide lens to get this lens than 12-24 tokina.

[Jackcpc]

I am a shutter fan. I uses a Canon 400D and if cash permits, would really loves to go FF, Canon 5D. I read through all the thread inclusive the one started by Shaolin Tiger and I really got confused by all the choices available for a superwide. Over here http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/1022.htm , it truly recommends canon 10-22. But this lense wont work on canon FF.

Can any taiko here give me a clearer picture on what to be expected ? Which one is the best bet for me ? Picture quality and economic of lense is my priority.

Thanks

Jack

[narrowband]

17-40mm F/4L is the wide-angle lens for your FF :D

[ShaolinTiger]

If you want ultra-wide for your 5D you need to get Sigma 12-24mm, big and heavy but is the widest straight lens available.

16-35mm f/2.8 MKII is pretty sweet on a 5D too.

[Jackcpc]

Thank u bro ST and NarrowBand

err i think u mistaken my issue. heheh. i am using a 400D now. So need a wideangle lense for this camera.

However, i am planning to upgrade to 5D. If and only IF my cash permits. :)

So based on this, any recommendation? Cos i don really wanna waste money upgrading to an option that i cant make use of later.

Thanks !!!

Jack

[neoro]

Nah... 5D + Sigma 12-24.. a bit of distortion , didn't check for sharpness :p can't expect much @ 12mm but its a very very fun lens to use...

1)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3231/2600003452_efc7b105fd_o.jpg

2)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2599249311_c9a7c1419d_o.jpg

3)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3093/2600078274_10e54f247e_o.jpg

4)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3229/2600080166_e4b8bbe46f_o.jpg

[zimonl]

Hi Sifus & Ogways
At last managed to gather enough courage(& RMs) to try a UWA lens .. was worried that it be too difficult to learn...

Some of the pics from our recent trip to Hoi An & HCMC ... Did i correctly used it ???? please help ..

My initial comments .. NICE but.. can be get dizzy after 10 shots & cannot AF on our D40/D60 :( maybe should change to the Sigma 10-20 ???

Hoi An - River Front
25926

Hoi An - Cantonese Dragon
25927

Cao Dai Ceremony -Tay Hinh
25928

Notre Dame Cathedral - HCMC
25929

Main Post Office - HCMC
25930

[vengeance]

congratz with the purchase zimonL :)

i like the Cao Dai Ceremony picture

[zimonl]

congratz with the purchase zimonL :)

i like the Cao Dai Ceremony picture

Thanks Bro ...

[goldfries]

UWA lens on clouds
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/2621758775_41e1f75cea.jpg

UWA on buildings
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3159/2621758419_686cc1a983.jpg

UWA indoors
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2621758145_f718facccc.jpg

UWA on whatever sort of composition
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2621758605_ba4f4e3c1d.jpg

:D Sigma 10-20 at 1.6x crop factor.

[neoro]

wide wide wide

Sigma 12-24 :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2684199852_bfc0c8b512_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3223/2684195004_7107ea7806_o.jpg

[Jing-leBelle]

This thread is poison me and confusing me..T_T

I'm poison with Canon 10-22mm and Sigma 10-20.

But the price is like heaven..aiks..

Anyone show pictures taken by Canon 400D with these 2 lens?

I'm still a student thou >.<

p.s is that nice if 400D attach with Sigma 10-20mm?

[grafikwarna]

how about tokina 11-16f2.8? any commnet for that lens?

[ndwsm]

darn!!.. i'm tinking of another lense & it seems like this thread is really poisoning me 2 get a UWA lense..:worship::worship: i tink it's a very useful lense if wanna shoot outdoor wedding photography... correct me if i'm wrong.. :P

[Jing-leBelle]

how about tokina 11-16f2.8? any commnet for that lens?

This lens is kinda good in kenrockwell..lol
But he mentioned if canon, he will go for Canon 10-22mm..>.<

[SHUTTERhunter]

Poisoned!!!:run_away::run_away: got to have Sigma 10-20mm... any updated price? canon mount pls.. :rolleyes:

[jackie13]

After test the Nikon 14-24, Sigma 10-20 and Sigma 12-24, Nikon is still the BEST...but too expensive..

Finally got myself the Sigma 12-24mm, love the quality :P

[neoro]

After test the Nikon 14-24, Sigma 10-20 and Sigma 12-24, Nikon is still the BEST...but too expensive..

Finally got myself the Sigma 12-24mm, love the quality :P

Welcome the the ULTRA ULTRA wide, now you need a 5D / 5Dmk2 / D700 / D3 /1Dsmk 2 / 3 and you will enjoy sheer FUN

Its my most fragile lens of all but its Fun... Watch the objects at the edge of your composition, the ultra wide may distort some prespective

[zaidee]

arrgghhh!!! i really fall in love with wide lens..im poisoned!!!Go wide!!

[ken2tango]

Poisoned!!!:run_away::run_away: got to have Sigma 10-20mm... any updated price? canon mount pls.. :rolleyes:

there's one shop in pg quoted me rm1600.00 BUT its an AP set.
tokina (rm2150.00) & canon (rm2400.00).
in HK, canon is selling at RM1800.00.

to those who bought sigma, r u paying the same px (rm1600.00) and its an AP set(made in china) ?

[Jing-leBelle]

i got mine Canon 10-22mm @ Keat Camera for RM2200 :)

[ralli_art]

there's one shop in pg quoted me rm1600.00 BUT its an AP set.
tokina (rm2150.00) & canon (rm2400.00).
in HK, canon is selling at RM1800.00.

to those who bought sigma, r u paying the same px (rm1600.00) and its an AP set(made in china) ?

hey...i'm interested with this lens. planning to get it soon. but wat do u mean by AP set (made in china)?? u mean the lens price is RM1600 and the lens is made in china??

[ken2tango]

this is what i heard from.
according to my fren which is 25yrs in this biz, AP set is equally good.
if one is a casual photographer, then AP will be fine.

just rcvd a sms from my fren in hk saying that canon 10-22mm in hk is selling at rm2205.00

[Jing-leBelle]

this is what i heard from.
according to my fren which is 25yrs in this biz, AP set is equally good.
if one is a casual photographer, then AP will be fine.

just rcvd a sms from my fren in hk saying that canon 10-22mm in hk is selling at rm2205.00

so are u gonna take it? sigma or canon? :run_away:

[ken2tango]

i got mine Canon 10-22mm @ Keat Camera for RM2200 :)

canon dealer px is rm2380.00.
and keat is selling at 2.2k ?
warranty by canon msia or by keat ?

[Spearosteam]

Hi ken2tango. Tokina 11-16 selling RM2150 in PG?

[nightc]

is tokina UWA f/2.8 good?

[zaidee]

hahahaha...i got this 10-20 already.somebody asking for rm1300 only.bought on 31 jly 08.so lucky..