40D image no 3D feel...

[mactreouser]

Hey..currently using 40D with 50mm f1.4 seems no 3D feel as the result take from Nikon D300 with 50mm f1.4 leh...how come...did you compare before?

[SooHK]

ur 3d feel is like? can post some sample... I am using 40D too and 50mm F1.4 also in some cases...is it possible that the photographer is good at editing? Does this consider 3D feel?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2345/2119584837_cbb8bb087e.jpg

[SkyCaptain]

Hey..currently using 40D with 50mm f1.4 seems no 3D feel as the result take from Nikon D300 with 50mm f1.4 leh...how come...did you compare before?

A photo would help others understand your point clearly :)

[noruazumi]

post photos from both 40D and D300 about the non-3D feel stuffs.
really have no idea what are you talking about. :?

[duke916]

You meant 3D like this?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2298/2042212347_29aa7272b7.jpg

[pixelight]

3D feel you mean like HDR? Those 3D-Computer-Generated-looking photos?

[neoro]

try a longer focus length. Sometimes, its due to the focal range.

Canon 135L is a good choice :p

[mactreouser]

wow...thanks eveybuddy!!!!
Ya,Soo HK ... that's what i mean...3D feel la...How you get it?what lens are you using?L lens?

I think the Lens make the result la...cause what i mention that the D300 did the 3D feel is because that it with his G DX lens...prime lens...and 40D not with L lens...

So Soo HK,what's the exif?

[damonlbs]

this might help u
http://www.photozone.de/4Technique/compose/dof.htm

[pixelight]

mactreouser. by 3D you mean blur backgrounds? the 40D + 50 1.4 should do it, in fact, any 50 1.4 should do it. i think SooHK did some photoshopping to give some kick too. nice pic, sooHK.

[mactreouser]

mactreouser. by 3D you mean blur backgrounds? the 40D + 50 1.4 should do it, in fact, any 50 1.4 should do it. i think SooHK did some photoshopping to give some kick too. nice pic, sooHK.

it's not about the DOF/blur background...but the sharpness SUBJECT are really 'chrome' and outstanding loh...

[A mount user]

Saw a same thread asking the same thing in Clubsnap (http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?p=3663384#post3663384).
Dude, show us some of your shots to judge.:P:P:P

[mactreouser]

Saw a same thread asking the same thing in Clubsnap (http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?p=3663384#post3663384).
Dude, show us some of your shots to judge.:P:P:P

wow bro..seems you are really ON as me woh...both forum!!haa...ya ya..will post it then..:D

[noruazumi]

IMHO, both 40D and D300 able to give this so-called 3D feel if use 50mm f/1.4 lens. do remember that LCD display also affect your judgement about the photo. not all LCD have the same behavior. and also, the on-board image enhancement settings could also affect it.

so i think, what u saw on both 40D and D300 are pretty much the same. you just need to learn more about your camera. changing to another camera/model would not make your photos any better.

[mki88]

wow...thanks eveybuddy!!!!
Ya,Soo HK ... that's what i mean...3D feel la...How you get it?what lens are you using?L lens?

I think the Lens make the result la...cause what i mention that the D300 did the 3D feel is because that it with his G DX lens...prime lens...and 40D not with L lens...

So Soo HK,what's the exif?

That image isn't taken by L lens, and L lens don't make the different. It's the person behind it.

Just use a wide aperture to capture a subject with a background that is far away and u can feel the dimension.

To have more 'dimensional' picture, try some ultra wide lens like 10-22, it should produce the image of what u call '3D'

Anyway, Soohk is very famous with his sharp and vivid photos. PP will help sharpening and bringing out the colour.

[mactreouser]

IMHO, both 40D and D300 able to give this so-called 3D feel if use 50mm f/1.4 lens. do remember that LCD display also affect your judgement about the photo. not all LCD have the same behavior. and also, the on-board image enhancement settings could also affect it.

so i think, what u saw on both 40D and D300 are pretty much the same. you just need to learn more about your camera. changing to another camera/model would not make your photos any better.

Erm...i really think so...but can't imagine that D300 not really tweak a lot but already get the image and anyhow i tweak the 40D still can't get it..Maybe lighting on Subject is the main key..perhaps..??

That image isn't taken by L lens, and L lens don't make the different. It's the person behind it.

Just use a wide aperture to capture a subject with a background that is far away and u can feel the dimension.

To have more 'dimensional' picture, try some ultra wide lens like 10-22, it should produce the image of what u call '3D'

Anyway, Soohk is very famous with his sharp and vivid photos. PP will help sharpening and bringing out the colour.

Hey,thanks!
Ya i know that PP c'ld produce the result..but just WHY? the D300 already produce before PP?so,i think that's really amaze...just try to check that whether is the setting problem or the character of the Cam?!

i'm actually using 50mm f1.4...even 1.4-2.5...still can't be the same of the D300 f1.4-2.5!!!


*please use multi-quote function*

[SooHK]

wow...thanks eveybuddy!!!!
Ya,Soo HK ... that's what i mean...3D feel la...How you get it?what lens are you using?L lens?

I think the Lens make the result la...cause what i mention that the D300 did the 3D feel is because that it with his G DX lens...prime lens...and 40D not with L lens...

So Soo HK,what's the exif?

This is what I used Canon 40D, 50mm F1.4 and hoya Pro 1 Digital CPL. I used the CPL to minimize the surface "reflection". Below is the exif.

Exposure: 1/3200 sec
Aperture: f/2.2
Focal Length: 50 mm
ISO Speed: 100
Exposure Bias: -2/3 EV

And as what pixellight say when I did the PP on the photo, I tweak the curve to brings out the color and also increase the sharpness during PP.

With the 50mm F1.4 I have, the "sweet" aperture is F2.2 hence most of my pic if exposure permit I will shot at F2.2. Its dead sharp. However I am not saying other apertures like, F1.4, F1.6 or F1.8 is not but its somehow have mix result, I have pics with aperture F1.6 that is dead sharp and some that is ok. I have somehow narrow it down that it could be the position of the subject. The dead sharp happens for instance the camera faces the subject head on (center sharpness)... So shot more and check your 50mm F1.4 sweet spot...is there dig it and u find gold... and go out when the sun comes out at its fiercest and carry a bottle of water..

Thanks mki88.... :)

[PCW]

Some samle of very nice dof picture from 50mm f1.4

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11962

11963

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[william68]

If both camera shoot the same object from the same distance with the same focal length and aperture the Nikon D300 might have slightly shallower DOF by around 6% from the 1.5x crop than 40D 1.6x crop.

I think to get the maximum effect mention is to shoot the object from the nearest distance the lens can focus and stay away from near infinity.

Just a little of my noob opinion.

wow. I like the last picture posted by PCW. Its like "I am legend. Please look for me if someone still alive."

[wasabi]

:adore: very nice PCW... i want to learn from you....

[gandalfius]

50mm f1.4 rocks PCW!!

[PCW]

No....... Must clearify before it get out of hands. These photos is not taken by me:redface:. These pics are taken with 5D + 50mm f1.4.

[mactreouser]

No....... Must clearify before it get out of hands. These photos is not taken by me:redface:. These pics are taken with 5D + 50mm f1.4.

haa...bro...wa lau...we share bout 40D la..haa..anyway..really impressive pics loh..i like it...and those pics expecially the 1st and last show the feel of 'CHROME SUBJECT' that i mention...erm..really can it be...but maybe with a very good lighting reflection!!!!

besides,i think the UV filter is one of the issue to get nice pics..since the D300 that i mention is wear with 0 UV filter by Nikkon itself..very expensive man!!!:tongue_roll:

[sting]

bro, it's more up to the lens la. try use same make, type of lens in both cameras and see the result. We still waiting for D300 images....

or are you just a Nikonian and try to poke on Canonite.....

[Falcone]

Nothing with a little PP can't help, personally I find my D300 is no different from my D70s, I'm sure 40D is the same.

Here a sample I did from a recent wedding job in D70s. 3D enuf?

http://www.pumpkinproject.com/D300TEST/DSC_7778.jpg

And here's one from a shoot I did in D300.

http://www.pumpkinproject.com/D300TEST/DSC_8669.jpg

Both with 50mm 1.8.

[iamyuanwu]

Falcone...
What PP did you do with the photos? I've been trying for ages just to get that look in my photos.

[Falcone]

Use soft light blending. :rasta::rasta::rasta:

[mitmivec]

agree... totally... only diff is the 14bit other than that not so much ...

Nothing with a little PP can't help, personally I find my D300 is no different from my D70s, I'm sure 40D is the same.

Here a sample I did from a recent wedding job in D70s. 3D enuf?

http://www.pumpkinproject.com/D300TEST/DSC_7778.jpg

And here's one from a shoot I did in D300.

http://www.pumpkinproject.com/D300TEST/DSC_8669.jpg

Both with 50mm 1.8.

[mitmivec]

u also can find some 40D picture at here

http://www.flickr.com/groups/my40d/

feel free to join also if u are 40d User

[moshpit21]

if u're talkin about the same 3D feelin i understand, it produces by the camera with the right technique, its related with the dynamic range produced by digital camera, which is related with pixel pitch produced by the camera :D

(google it for more info about it :P )

and i believe post processing in Adobe Photoshop could help to fake it(that 3D look) :)


-peace-

[ImAn]

trolling?:rolleyes:

[mactreouser]

bro....wonderful leh...so still need to PP la?
what i heard some said that S5pro really produce the Good Colour dynamic and don't need to PP at all...really?!

i found that D300 given the good tone of WB...

[kiankheong]

trolling?:rolleyes:

Seems to be.

[ckchowov]

Wait for 50D lah, it will be a "3D" button on it so everyone can shoot '3D' like photo :D (Sorry, off topic liao).

[mactreouser]

40~BW
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2135/2165373075_c02664a9c5_b.jpg

D300~BW
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2127/2165365681_520302f779_b.jpg

[mactreouser]

All Photos take as below setting:~
~ISO800~f8~Shutter-Speed 1/10~P mode~50mm f1.4

40D~Standard
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2371/2166165542_b26388c7df_b.jpg

D300~Standard
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2403/2166155656_d5c602dd6f_b.jpg

40D~Neutral
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/2166167706_ee21d03956_b.jpg

D300~Neutral
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/2165361883_7e63ff18d5_b.jpg

[sting]

So start choose now, which one that you guys prefer......

[rae128]

I couldnt see the 3D feel from any of the pics above... but for the color the D300 is better in Standard. In neutral.. i think both produce similar... IMO. (edit: i think the canon is better in producing color in the neutral shot... It wud be better if u cud share its' exif of the pics)

[twsttl]

Exif removed, no shooting setting tells...
remain the exif, sir.

Agree with rae128, both also no 3D feels lah.:redface::redface::redface:

[Freaky]

IMHO...

The 3D feel u are trying to get will not be obtained by the equipment u use, but by the skill of the photographer behind the cam. I think wat u are trying to say is tat why doesn't the pics 'jump' out at you, not so much 3D feel. For pictures to 'jump' out at you or give you a 'wow', you need to look into:

1. the technical aspects of the shot u want to take
2. The compostion of the shot
3. The way you are going to light the subjects
4. The message you want to convey to the viewer

BTW, the above samples look very similar... only slight differences in saturation, WB and exposure between the two cams.

[sting]

From the images, I can see that it's not worth to part some extra cash for an almost identical result....better on lens...IMHO

[ndgoh]

Noobs here and I have been experimenting a lot on to get the 3D feel of the pics le... Very complicated le... Most of the times dont really understand the required settings and the tuning of the cam to get the desired results. Have to tune, tune, tune and shoot shoot shoot then only get 1 ok picture... sigh... :D

But this thread has teach me a lot de...

[Falcone]

From the images, I can see that it's not worth to part some extra cash for an almost identical result....better on lens...IMHO

Well there are others features in the D300 which are not available in 40D, you pay for what you get. 40D is really good value, but that doesn't mean D300 is not worth it. Just my two cents.

[sting]

Well there are others features in the D300 which are not available in 40D, you pay for what you get. 40D is really good value, but that doesn't mean D300 is not worth it. Just my two cents.

agree, it's up to user whether the extra capabilities are necessary to them. If not 40D will satisfy enough for less money and spend more for lenses. Most of the review that I've read at least....cheers

[mactreouser]

3D...3D...erm...Jump out and 'wow...'...

ofcoz the situation above are in normal florecent light ... anyway..finally i found that both almost the same..but D300 in VIVID shot..will get the Thick colour and Shape out everything...

BTW,thanks a lot for those who reply ya!!!!:D

skil..technique..composition..lighting..prospectiv e..all those the Hero behind the 3D,jump out and wow image...:partyon:

[kenneth]

ok. i still cant grasp what are the chromeness and 3dness :D