It's Great to be here.Greetings from a newbie [Archive]

ShaolinTiger

04-27-2007, 05:09 PM

Thanks Derick, we try to provide a positive space for everyone to grow and learn together without having to be paranoid or watch their backs or have to worry about politics.

With encouragement and input from members like yourself we can keep growing into a strong and vibrant community.

We are open to everyone and we welcome all feedback, good bad and ugly.

Nothing to hide here and most of all nothing to fear.

Thanks for joining and thanks again for your feedback.

derickgan

04-27-2007, 05:18 PM

the pleasure is mine. Gosh, thats what I can a prompt reply to threads.
very efficient.

derickgan

04-29-2007, 12:07 AM

After reading numerous ads posted around the web and ftz soliciting fellow shutterbugs to join this forum with promises of free speech and equality, i finally registered myself. Alas, one bad experience after another came my way. Firstly was just an innocent query regarding why a decent GOD fearing soul would use HIS name under the pretence of being simply a creator of this forum.Followed by inecessant and casual deleting of posts which the "ShutterGod" deemed offtopic. Besides that, my ip has been banned just because of asking questions? What is the free speech that you have advocated?

This is the pm that i Got from him

i Derick,

I've moved your posts here as they are off-topic, please be wary that they are bordering on breaking the rules as we discourage the discussion of politics and religion here (As they tend to get heated).

http://www.shutterasia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=826

If you wish to continue, please feel free.

Do bear in mind I have been studying Christianity for 23 years, I have read the Qu'ran and the Torah and most of the writings of Buddha.

If you wish to have a theological debate with me, be prepared

So I suggest you drop it, and be more open minded. The Moniker I'm using has nothing to do with religion and you are the only person who has linked it so through your narrow-mindedness. The term God can be used in many ways and is not linked to any single religion or entity.

It's not meant to be offensive so please don't take it as such.

Many Thanks

ST

My question is not religious and I do not wish to debate with you about theories.I just want to know why u use HIS name in vain? And does studying 25 years of religion give you the right to use GOD as title? and putting it below your good name Shaolin Tiger?

Im going to capture a screenshot this time because I know this post will be deleted or even worse stil.. I will be banned soon. Fellow members, just look clearly and judge your leader/creator named SHUTTERGOD. One thing for sure I do not want to be the follower of this dodgy and high handed character.
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aaronfoo

04-29-2007, 12:43 AM

I believe this is just bunch of crap making a fuss of just a simple title LOL .. its one of those this where people go around saying "So what", so what if he has that title LOL.

leslie

04-29-2007, 12:49 AM

What do u mean by dodgy and high handed character :rolleyes:

derickgan

04-29-2007, 12:49 AM

I think the excuse of closing threads under the pretence of avoiding a religious debate is bullcrap. If he d not want religious talkback he should not put himself in the name of GOD in the first. Now, if according to him, the fact that he calls himself GOD is of no significance, then there is no need to lock or delete my posts and preventing me from stating my concern. Either way, i deserve an apology at the very least.

aaronfoo: Aaronfoo, with due respect, why don't you try to register this name in your I/C? You can always change your name or add a name to your name by going to a Commisioner of Oaths and filing it in court...

leslie: read my post . i would appreciate it if you answer my queries

stockie

04-29-2007, 12:51 AM

Really no big deal!

derickgan

04-29-2007, 12:57 AM

kimberlycun

04-29-2007, 01:40 AM

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
god (gŏd) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. God
1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
2. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.

Derickgan...goodness gracious, ST's created a wonderful forum on photography and I think it's perfectly fine to indulge the hairy fella!

p/s: All has been said, nobody has meant any offence and the nickname has nothing to do with any religion much less yours, there's no point pushing it and trying to make real your assumption. This forum is neutral and words can be interpreted in many ways and may I remind you there is not one word in this world that is exclusive to a religion, and that's including the word "God".

Why use His name in vain? It's only Someone's name because you think so. Please be gently reminded that in the context of this forum, religions are not differentiating factors. So, if you would like to be respected as a forummer, please do so in terms of your personal character, attitude and passion for photography...not your religion. This is a non-issue and should never be an issue.

noruazumi

04-29-2007, 02:15 AM

i never thought that the word "SHUTTER GOD" is related to any religion or what so ever.
plus, it is stated as "SHUTTER GOD".
ShaolinTiger would be the normal-online-guy if he go to other forum that he joined (not created).
so what's the big deal with the rank?
"SHUTTER GOD" does not mean that ShaolinTiger is MY GOD!
so seriously, i hope that each & every one of us can open our mind especially in public community like shutterasia.com or other online community.
and i think, if i'm sensitive-type-person, i would definitely avoid myself from joining this public-type community or forum. :D

ShaolinTiger

04-29-2007, 05:16 AM

Derick you will be banned if you keep trolling and hiding behind proxied IP addresses. Your IP wasn't banned as you haven't used your IP yet, web proxies are banned, as are open HTTP proxies like the one you are using now.

God is not an exclusively religious term, so please give up and move on, and start using your real IP/e-mail address or find somewhere else that suites you better.

Either start enjoying the forum as it's meant to be (photography, travel and food) or leave.

No one is forcing you to stay here if my title offends you so much.

Enjoy your weekend :)

vladimir

04-29-2007, 08:19 AM

wah....grettings become banning pula....so serious leh..

kayjay

04-29-2007, 08:43 AM

really not worth the post.
but.
this is about photography.
not religion.
get real, man.

derickgan

04-29-2007, 09:17 AM

noruazumi

04-29-2007, 09:46 AM

are you trying to intimidate me mr Shutter GOD? exercising your GODLY powers again without answering an iota of what that has been asked? or maybe you are too high up to answer my valid questions? or rather asking your semi naked model to post jibberish cloaked as answer to my questions?

derickgan,
personally, i don't think that ShaolinTiger intimidating you but it is his responsibility as admin to make sure everything in this forum are well-managed. before you proceed, may i recommend you to read ShutterAsia.com Official Rules & Regulations? you can find it here (http://www.shutterasia.com/forum/rules.php). so again, let me recommend you to read the rules & regulations first before you proceed with any provocative remarks.

and let's not try to ignore that the fact that you are hiding behind fake IP.
if u ask me, i can come out with many assumptions but let's not go there.
this is Photography & Travel community.
please keep your religious issue to yourself or use Private Messaging to discuss personally with ShaolinTiger.
i find your approach is not a proper way to settle thing if you are REALLY a religious person.

max

04-29-2007, 10:37 AM

Calm down everyone, I think some people are offended by the use of names. Certain names are actually for exclusive usage. Since this is a public forum, it is good to clear up the doubts of any of its members. I know it is very hard to practise freedom of speech.

"We are open to everyone and we welcome all feedback, good bad and ugly.

Nothing to hide here and most of all nothing to fear."

Most forums have a hard time practising these standards.

Since a legitimate issue has been raised here, why don't we just clear it once and for all, otherwise these issues will keep on cropping out.

Mr.ShaolinTiger says ""God is not an exclusively religious term.""

Mr Derickgan says "Firstly was just an innocent query regarding why a decent GOD fearing soul would use HIS name under the pretence of being simply a creator of this forum."

I really appreciate that Mr ShaolinTiger has more than 23 years of studying theology and that puts him on a very knowledgeable footing to understand the implications of those words used.

Why don't we just refer the matter to the Islamic or Religious Council of Malaysia since most of the members here are Malaysians and we abide by the laws of Malaysia? Once there is a positive result from an Authority on these matters (which I am very confident we would because of Mr. ShaolinTiger's breath of knowledge on this issue,) no one can say anything more on this issue and we can continue calling ourselves wahtever name we so choose.

This is just a suggestion from an old senile member, you may choose to ignore it.

derickgan

04-29-2007, 10:55 AM

derickgan,
personally, i don't think that ShaolinTiger intimidating you but it is his responsibility as admin to make sure everything in this forum are well-managed. before you proceed, may i recommend you to read ShutterAsia.com Official Rules & Regulations? you can find it here (http://www.shutterasia.com/forum/rules.php). so again, let me recommend you to read the rules & regulations first before you proceed with any provocative remarks.

and let's not try to ignore that the fact that you are hiding behind fake IP.
if u ask me, i can come out with many assumptions but let's not go there.
this is Photography & Travel community.
please keep your religious issue to yourself or use Private Messaging to discuss personally with ShaolinTiger.
i find your approach is not a proper way to settle thing if you are REALLY a religious person.

Why should a public debate be conducted under the carpet? why not let everyone debate? Is this the type of freespeech this forum advocates? Which statement that I have made is racially or religiously charged? What max said is correct. Please do not try and divert the direction of this discussion. I's surprised our dear Shutter God has not deleted this thread like others that he can't handle

noruazumi

04-29-2007, 11:05 AM

Why should a public debate be conducted under the carpet? why not let everyone debate? Is this the type of freespeech this forum advocates? Which statement that I have made is racially or religiously charged? What max said is correct. Please do not try and divert the direction of this discussion. I's surprised our dear Shutter God has not deleted this thread like others that he can't handle

well, i'm sure if this is religious forum, all of us would love to have a debate about it. :D

iamyuanwu

04-29-2007, 04:26 PM

:mad: I told you guys that this was going to get :Eyecrazy:crazy:0.
:azz:

Derickgan...
Relax lah, bro. It's just a name. It's for FUN... :partyon: a satire. Meant to be sarcastic.
If God is unhappy with ST using his name, then let God deal with him lah. What's the fuss? Not that you or I or he is God's PR/representative/secretary/personal asst...

As for others...
No need to go flame/talk sense/negotiate/convince/debate with him lah.
There are always sensitive people in the world. Just accept him as he is... then no problem loh. :cheers:

derickgan

05-03-2007, 12:20 PM

stockie

05-03-2007, 12:29 PM

Adoi! :u_lamer:

Is it so important to be right?

derickgan

05-03-2007, 12:33 PM

If the Islamic Authority regard "it" as HARAM, do you think that is a trivial matter?

stockie

05-03-2007, 12:33 PM

Yes........ you are right.........

alancheong7

05-03-2007, 01:31 PM

Derick,
Welcome to SA

Are you a disciple of Jesus Christ?
If you are, then PM the man to satisfy your curiosity and have a theological debate by all means - this is not the platform nor forum. I do get carried away at times, but the time and place must also be right. Or else we cause the name of the Lord to be dragged through the mud.

In view of Exodus 20:7 - given the same token you are espousing, are not the frequent mouthings of 'My God!' or 'Oh, my God!', by many, applicable within the same context?

However, John 10:33-35, including context of Exodus 22:28 give a slightly different slant on things.

Having it in the open is one thing, not all are believers nor are all believers of the same maturity - will our/your testimony result in Romans 2:24? See also Titus 3:9 - for are we not supposed to do all things for Him because we love Him? Should we grieve Him/the Holy Ghost by a zealousness that drives others away from the name Christ? Remember what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13?

A simple 'I believe/feel it is better for you not to use God as part of your title, be it in jest or otherwise' will suffice - you did your part.

On the other hand, if you are not a disciple of Jesus Christ, please do forgive me and ignore all of the above :D

And btw, why use JAIS at all? Their jurisdiction is limited to muslims and only muslims. This, in itself, is most incongruous.

JackJack

05-03-2007, 01:39 PM

Just enquired with Selangor State Islamic Council regarding this issue of exploiting the use of the word GOD in this forum and according to them, it is most probably "HARAM". Therefore, I suggest that Mr. Shaolin with 23 years of advance theology studies on religion to get in contact and give tha thorough explanation and presentation to explain your side of argument. You can make an appointment from this link

http://www.jais.net.my/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=122

then pls ask the JAIS to shut down this forum

if u can be one of us, get off and find other place that suit u, no point of debate about the title here, PLEASE

If u so like to talk about religion, pls go other forum tat is talk about religion, no one will stop u there.

P.E.A.C.E

sampoerna

05-03-2007, 01:59 PM

Use "Shutter Angel" lor since someone is so upset with "Shutter God". Sound nice and sweet :D :rasta:

JackJack

05-03-2007, 02:03 PM

Use "Shutter Angel" lor since someone is so upset with "Shutter God". Sound nice and sweet :D :rasta:

ST...an angel?:0

buahahahahahhahahaha!!!!:D

alvinlau

05-03-2007, 02:29 PM

What if I use the nick Shutter Sh!t? Will I cause any health or hygiene problem? Will Ministry of Health or MBKL goes after me? Scary!

kimberlycun

05-03-2007, 09:10 PM

are you trying to intimidate me mr Shutter GOD? exercising your GODLY powers again without answering an iota of what that has been asked? or maybe you are too high up to answer my valid questions? or rather asking your semi naked model to post jibberish cloaked as answer to my questions?

aww, don't hate me coz i'm beautiful.. :P

p/s: i'm not a religious person, but i feel sorry for your religion, whatever it is, for having people like you that uses religion in vain to achieve your ulterior motive, which is pretty obvious by now: to shut down this forum. Well, by all means, try. fyi, only a minority of this country are bigots like you and they certainly make the loudest noise.....doesn't mean there are as many idiots who share your thoughts. then again, what do you know? In my humble opinion, you can start with some reading :mad:

p/p/s: you're obviously NOT into photography, i don't think any member worth his or her salt here would miss your absence. Yeah, unfortunately, in a very un-pc way...Get lost, darling.

max

05-05-2007, 08:02 AM

Greetings members, lets not turn a sensitive title into a battle.

There are some valid points raised so far.

Alanchaong7 says "
btw, why use JAIS at all? Their jurisdiction is limited to muslims and only muslims. This, in itself, is most incongruous."

Derickgan says" If the Islamic Authority regard "it" as HARAM, do you think that is a trivial matter?"

Stockie (a muslim) says " Yes........ you are right........."

In Malaysia, those who practice Islam makes up to 70% of the population. Racial and religious tolerance is the strength of Malaysian politics. I think the sensitiveness of the members here should be given due recognition and consideration.

It is a well known fact that most Car Makers often spend millions of dollars just researching for a suitable name for their new models. Like the "Nissan Bluebird" does not go too well with the Hokkien community.

After all, as most members here agree it is just a name, why not use other names that are more neutral and acceptable in the Malaysian context. Nobody is denying the fact that there is someone has put up his own money and effort to get this site going and that recognition must also be given.

max

05-05-2007, 08:07 AM

p/p/s: you're obviously NOT into photography, i don't think any member worth his or her salt here would miss your absence. Yeah, unfortunately, in a very un-pc way...Get lost, darling.

I would recommend this member to be banned for personal attacks. This is a very unhealthy practice. Other forums like Fred Miranda, Photo.net, Dpreview etc would have banned this member too.

Bigcrapshooter

05-05-2007, 11:03 AM

No big deal with the word God here.. Unless little shaolin tiger uses the word " The God" or maybe "God of the Universe" ..then it can abit uncomfortable. But the fact that he only puts it as " Shutter God " mah.
So he's suppose to be God of the shutter only mah. Definetely not that kind of God that people been praying.

In our chinese society ( at least in the comic, movie and novel world lah, but well.. comic, movies and novel form an important part in life to many people) , very often the best/strongest will be awarded the title "God" in the area that one particular person rules" ... eg like Shiekshen ( God of Food), Tuo Shen ( God of Gambler).. Kimshen ( God of Sword).. Dou shen ( God of Parang)..

got people agree with me ah? :D

stockie

05-05-2007, 11:45 AM

Pardon me for disagreeing on changing the title.

If I were to create my own forum, I have all the right to put "Forum God" coz within the forum universe, I am the ONE. Similar to SuperAdmin! Administrator is the God for a single unit of workstation. There are super admin for the network.

Conclusion, just leave the Shutter God alone!

On the other hand, if sensitivity for the word GOD is to be taken consideration based on Malaysia population where 70% are Muslim. The same ratio should not be applied to this forum. Let's check on the registered member database to have the ratio.

To put the matter into fact:

LIST OF AGREE/DISAGREE TO CHANGE THE TITLE (FROM SHUTTER GOD TO SOMETHING ELSE)
_________________________________________________

MUSLIM
1. -stockie- disagree
2.
3.
.
..
...
TOTAL AGREED
TOTAL DISAGREED
TOTAL POPULATION

BHUDDISM/TAOISM
1.
2.
3.
.
..
...
TOTAL AGREED
TOTAL DISAGREED
TOTAL POPULATION
.
.
.
.
.and so on and so forth.....

However, I strongly disagree to change it. If it's been said that IT'S ONLY A NAME, so just leave it alone!

Greetings members, lets not turn a sensitive title into a battle.

There are some valid points raised so far.

Alanchaong7 says "
btw, why use JAIS at all? Their jurisdiction is limited to muslims and only muslims. This, in itself, is most incongruous."

Derickgan says" If the Islamic Authority regard "it" as HARAM, do you think that is a trivial matter?"

Stockie (a muslim) says " Yes........ you are right........."

In Malaysia, those who practice Islam makes up to 70% of the population. Racial and religious tolerance is the strength of Malaysian politics. I think the sensitiveness of the members here should be given due recognition and consideration.

It is a well known fact that most Car Makers often spend millions of dollars just researching for a suitable name for their new models. Like the "Nissan Bluebird" does not go too well with the Hokkien community.

After all, as most members here agree it is just a name, why not use other names that are more neutral and acceptable in the Malaysian context. Nobody is denying the fact that there is someone has put up his own money and effort to get this site going and that recognition must also be given.

Crazymalaysian

05-05-2007, 08:12 PM

In our chinese society ( at least in the comic, movie and novel world lah, but well.. comic, movies and novel form an important part in life to many people) , very often the best/strongest will be awarded the title "God" in the area that one particular person rules" ... eg like Shiekshen ( God of Food), Tuo Shen ( God of Gambler).. Kimshen ( God of Sword).. Dou shen ( God of Parang)..

got people agree with me ah? :D

Yes, like GODLIKEEEE.

Perhaps the usage of the term GODLIKE in Unreal Tournament and also in DOTA means that everyone who possess a copy of either game could feel the wrath of JAIS? :unsure:

Freaky

05-06-2007, 09:45 AM

Boy... go away for a few days and miss a hot debate on religion... :rolleyes:

anyone for a beer? :drunk:

astroboy

05-06-2007, 11:24 AM

I think we should ban the vegetable BITTERGOURD also... it sounds a bit like GOD. Very blasphemous name for a vege.

:rasta:

Caveman

05-06-2007, 12:36 PM

if you have nothing to do, pls visit here

http://www.shutterasia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9816#post9816

JackJack

05-07-2007, 09:26 AM

I would recommend this member to be banned for personal attacks. This is a very unhealthy practice. Other forums like Fred Miranda, Photo.net, Dpreview etc would have banned this member too.
u dun like her comment? Get lost, my dear.

andretong

05-07-2007, 10:18 AM

u dun like her comment? Get lost, my dear.

come on lar... why have to said something like these ?
You are not talking to your screen but to another person.
How do you like when another person said the samething right in yoru face ? If you don't like it, don't do it to another person.
You can't put out a flame by creating another flame.

sincerely, i really do not wish to get anyone banned but i do not wish this kind of respond not continue to be allowed.

I hope admin here can give a warning to such respond.
If continue allow, the next time someone said something we all don't like, you will have this kind of respond or worst.."get the f*** out of here !".

ShaolinTiger

05-07-2007, 10:20 AM

Yah agree with Andre, please stick on topic and be mature and thoughtful with your words.

No personal attacks and don't be rude.

If you want to add your opinion please do so, but do it in the correct manner.

More often than not it's more important how you say something, not what you say.

stockie

05-07-2007, 10:34 AM

ST, why not just close this thread. It does not contribute to photography and does not serve to well being of members here.

JackJack

05-07-2007, 10:34 AM

come on lar... why have to said something like these ?
You are not talking to your screen but to another person.
How do you like when another person said the samething right in yoru face ? If you don't like it, don't do it to another person.
You can't put out a flame by creating another flame.

sincerely, i really do not wish to get anyone banned but i do not wish this kind of respond not continue to be allowed.

I hope admin here can give a warning to such respond.
If continue allow, the next time someone said something we all don't like, you will have this kind of respond or worst.."get the f*** out of here !".i dun find those word is something for personal attacking, it just telling ppl "if u dun like it, dun read/get out"; may be it's too harsh. Sorry, man.

damn....even our minister also said the same thing, "dun like price hike on astro; dun subscribe"; do u feel insulted on that?

now i dun like this thread, i get lost. bye

leslie

05-07-2007, 10:37 AM

hi all can everyone be a little tactful and avoid harsh rude, straighout comments please, goes the same for sacarstic one liner comments just be a little diplomatic okay :)

SA is not a place for personal attacks nor any form of hostilities.
I would not like to repeat myself again

Thank You

andretong

05-07-2007, 10:59 AM

i dun find those word is something for personal attacking, it just telling ppl "if u dun like it, dun read/get out"; may be it's too harsh. Sorry, man.

damn....even our minister also said the same thing, "dun like price hike on astro; dun subscribe"; do u feel insulted on that?

now i dun like this thread, i get lost. bye

Do you really like this kind of respond from our minister?? No right.
Instead of finding a solution or explain the reason behind it, all they reply is "if don't like it don't pay for it lar". :P

So people will respect his less because of this respond, and when outsider read about this kind of respond from the minister of this country they will have a negative image regarding Malaysia. Don't you think so?
So by doing it here, people will said the same thing about SA.

so the bottomline here is.... don't be like our minister. :D

galee

05-07-2007, 12:19 PM

A piece of my mind...

Don like the word "God", can leave this forum alone. No one is pointing a gun at ur head asking you to join here.

Argument on sensitive subjects are not encouraging as it is bad enough in the real world.

Terms used by the Admin here is up to their liking. U cant go into someone else's home and tell them that their name is not up to your liking and ask them to change their name? well, there is a chinese saying... each country have their own rules so applies in every individual's home.

Lastly, this is personally to MAX, don be so harsh to others unless you wan to get treated the same back. Be Courteous to others and others will do the same to u....

;) never imagine this would happen here. It is clearly a photography forum... not a religious one.... don mix both of them up... cheers.

leslie

05-07-2007, 12:27 PM

it is a photography forum as i have already stated much much earlier.

Bigcrapshooter

05-07-2007, 12:47 PM

it is a photography forum as i have already stated much much earlier.

I thought this section is " chit-chat & Off-Topic" ?
Now I find this forum is even more sensitive than the other forum.. :?

Freaky

05-07-2007, 12:52 PM

i say "Let the blood run free"

ShaolinTiger

05-07-2007, 12:57 PM

I thought this section is " chit-chat & Off-Topic" ?
Now I find this forum is even more sensitive than the other forum.. :?

It is, you can chat about whatever you want to here.

The point is however not to be rude and to discuss whatever points you want to raise maturely, be they photography related or not.

Discussion on religion and politics is however discouraged as people tend not to be able to talk about those rationally (they are very personal topics).

leslie

05-07-2007, 01:00 PM

galee

05-07-2007, 02:18 PM

this is not a sensitive forum and it never has been and Will not Be..

What i am mean is Please be

Courteous, polite, tactful, diplomatic, friendly and helpful.

Is this very hard to do ? No i dont think so so lets be happy and enjoy ourselves k hehehe

Ya... couldn't agree with you more... I enjoy my stay here rather than others... The frenliness of fellow SA here are very welcoming and practically in-par with others as well. Maybe there are some mis-communication with religious chat here but hey, I am not buying any of the religious chat here. This is one hell of enthusiasm for ST to start this forum here and not to mention cost and time spent on it. What we can do in return is to appreciate such a sacrifice and not to discriminate it. :D

Cheers~!

Freaky

05-07-2007, 04:32 PM

Discussion on religion and politics is however discouraged as people tend not to be able to talk about those rationally (they are very personal topics).

I disagree with this statement...

People will always fail to talk rationally regarding anything if they lack the necessary debating skills or they feel they are losing the argument. Thus resorting to personal attacks out of desperation.

This just seems to be more evident and more widely seen when the person feels passionately about the topic discussed.

alancheong7

05-08-2007, 10:39 AM

I disagree with this statement...

People will always fail to talk rationally regarding anything if they lack the necessary debating skills or they feel they are losing the argument. Thus resorting to personal attacks out of desperation.

This just seems to be more evident and more widely seen when the person feels passionately about the topic discussed.

Agreed.
The thing is mature and responsible freedom of speech/expression. Let's keep it that way :cool: All are individuals and being individuals we have differing ways of speaking and expressing ourselves, including thoughts. Before we voice anything out, some forethought and decorum would not go amiss. Self-deprecation and humble apologies would go a long way, too.

Are we gonna let this get out of hand? Or are we gonna handle this in a mature and responsible manner? I believe the many here would have been quite friendly if not for our differing takes on expresssion. Don't sweat the small stuff .... everything IS small stuff.

Let it go, let's go shoot more and share more, eh wot? Our time would be better spent learning from the other threads instead.

PS, FWIW, i take my hat off to ST for he's been keeping elegantly silent :D:D We'd do well to emulate that :D