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dinduboy14 03-02-2012 07:57 AM

d300 replacement camera?
 
is there going to be a d300 replacement camera?
looking at sticking with the DX camera bodies.

Wondering if Nikon is going to release anymore semi-pro grad bodies like the d300 or it be better to jump to d800 instead.

cheers/

tools4fools 03-02-2012 05:17 PM

There's a huge gap in price between the D7000 (1400$) and new D800 (3000$) so I assume that they will make a new 2000$ model again.
However if this would be APS-C (hard to see as what could you really put in it to justify extra 600$ over a D7000) or maybe another FF (maybe around the 18-24MP line).

My bet would be that it is another FF as
- the D800 has taken over from the D700 by a massive step.
- with 'new' technologies getting cheaper there should be a possibility to make a well under 3000$ starting price FF in my opinion.
- what specs would have a APS-C to be to be worth 600$ more than the D7000? Almost impossible to justify in my opinion.

In the long run smaller sensors have only one purpose - to be able to build smaller cameras.
In the line up where the camera gets big anyway due to other features than sensor size, like the D300 and even the D7000 in the long run there will be FF sensors inside - as the bodies are large enough anyway. Just a question of time, until they can make them affordable enough for each price level.
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dinduboy14 03-03-2012 08:49 PM

no good then i guess for the ppl who got expensive dx lens like Nikkor 17-55DX... i would still prefer a dx due to longer focal range with better ISO performance than d300 and a chunky form factor then d7000.

zool1956 03-04-2012 11:55 AM

FXs & DXs
 
It all depends on the market demands.
Full frame cameras are targeted towards the more advanced photographers who demands more toward serious photography, fun or making $.
Like wise DX format cameras as there to stay too as they are more cheaper and affordable to the amateurs and entry level photographers.
I doubt there will be stop in production for the DX format as the volume in sales for the type of cameras are always high. Nikon for example has surpassed those other brands in sales figure in that range.
The D300s will have a successor in a short period of time and so does the D7000.

tools4fools 03-04-2012 07:31 PM

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Like wise DX format cameras as there to stay too as they are more cheaper and affordable to the amateurs and entry level photographers.
I agree with that, entry level as in D3100 and D5100.

However D300s and D7000m are hardly entry level.
My prediction is that those models will get a FF sensor one day (might take a few years) - the bodies are large enough and FF sensors will get cheaper in the future.

Once a company will start making a FF camera at 1800$ it will be the end of a D300-like DX camera.
And once a FF for 1400$ is on the market it means the same for a D7000-alike.

But that will take few more years.

I wouldn't worry about the 'long tele effect' of the DX cameras - with the arrival of 36MP on a D800 you can crop your 200mm zoom to 400mm and still have 18MP...more than the D7000...
:-)

I jumped into digital photography from slides quite late - with the arrival of the FF D3. I waited for so long because I wanted a FF sensor.
Loads of people said that it was never going to happen, way too expensive. The Kodak and Canon started going FF. Still most people said Nikon would never go FF.
Look at it now.
We got FF D700 at 2500$.
Those prices will come down further - eventually to a level where it will replace certain DX cameras. The D300s will be the first to go. If not this 'round' then next.
Just a matter of time.

Yes, expensive DX glass might not be much in demand anymore one day. Was one of the reasons why I wanted FF to begin with. No need to get extra wide angle zoom to get the wide back when going DX. Plus general lack of prime wide angle lenses.

Since the arrival of the FF D700 and D3 those 17-55 2.8 DX zooms are often seen second hand. In my local store there are 3 of those - but no 24-70 2,8.
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zool1956 03-05-2012 03:51 PM

Futures FF will not be selling RM5k below for sure. High Tech doesn't comes cheap! They (the manufactures') spent a lots of money for a share of the digital imaging market. Look at the laptops for example. You can't get i7 processor model for RM1k yet. Maybe in a year but then again it doesn't catch up with the i10 speed.

I'd always think that what ever we are buying, buy the camera that suits the kind of photography we are into. Spending on new tools just because they are the latest doesn't pays.

tools4fools 03-05-2012 05:52 PM

In computers there was a time a 486 cost more than a i7 today.

A Pentium IV 3.2 single core did all what the average user needed and still needs - yet it is not produced anymore.

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Futures FF will not be selling RM5k below for sure. High Tech doesn't comes cheap!
There will be a time where a FF sensor will not be any special high tech anymore. I bet you that there will be a time we will have FF cameras under RM5k - not now but in a few years time as I said. Latest 6yrs from now I would think, but even possible in 3-4yrs - or earlier if manufacturers wanted.

Remember the Sony 850? That one was just about 2000 US$. So it is certainly possible to do.
So if prices for a FF went from 8000$ to 2000$ over the years why would it stop there?
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Spending on new tools just because they are the latest doesn't pays.
Sure not, but neither does buying old outdated stuff if you gonna buy something new. 8MP is fine for most peoples uses, but you wouldn't go around looking for a 8MP dSLR nowadays, no?
It simply has been turned superfluous by the advance of technology.
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mans 03-05-2012 10:22 PM

good point there tools4fools.I'm really hoping nikon will come out with full frame d400 that use d4 16.2 mp sensor for under rm6k...ok,lets pray.

dinduboy14 03-06-2012 10:47 AM

thanks all - like all things in life...................
only time will tell :D

tools4fools 03-06-2012 04:37 PM

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out with full frame d400 that use d4 16.2 mp sensor for under rm6k
Yes, but some how I don't think this is going to happen that fast - but then they did put the D700 on the market not long after the D3, with the same sensor.

One thing for sure is that both the D700 and the D300s are there to be replaced.
Now we got the D800 coming for the D700 - but with the D700 at 2400$ would it make sense to put in a new D400 DX at 2000$? And what features it would have to be to justify the extra 600$ over the D7000?
Sort of 'At that price I rather get the D7000, it is 600$ cheaper and can do almost the same' and 'At that price I rather get the D700, it is just 400$ more and FF'.
The only thing I could see would be if they really bump up the MP on that D400. Like to 22-24MP. Might well be possible looking at the D800's 36MP.

Indeed will be interesting.
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